Ryder's blood

[Dazed and Confused]

they aint called SLIPSTREAM for nothing

best car ever.....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

btw. Can we actually talk about JV the same frank way we talk about guys like Bruyneel and Riis?
I've often gotten the feeling JV enjoys more protection than those guys for the simple reason that he posts in here.

Thats a good question about JV and you received a good reply.


Of course that you asked a JV question and discuss JV in the wrong thread is not surprising.

 

[Ferminal]

Not surprising at all.

 

[D-Queued]

Cycling Canada NOT doing enough

While it has been pro-active in the statements released and justifiably pointing out that the UCI needs to fix its relationship with WADA, Cycling Canada is overlooking the obvious, and is not doing enough itself:

The allegations towards Chris Sheppard, Seamus McGrath and Ryder Hesjedal dating back to 2003 are another example of why the international federation (International Cycling Union – UCI) needs to come to agreement with WADA on a way to deal with such allegations of historic doping.

(Note that the Cycling Canada site, cyclingcanada.ca, is currently inaccessible)

Thus, this arguably shifts the blame when:

1. All three cyclists identified by Rasmussen were Canadian

2. Two of the three already have doping related suspensions (McGrath was suspended for a high Hematocrit in 1997, and Sheppard was banned for two years in 2005 for an EPO positive)

3. Those doping related suspensions came YEARS BEFORE and AFTER the alleged incident(s) involving Rasmussen

4. Another Canadian Cyclist with a doping suspension (Roland Green) was very active in making a public case in defense of fellow Canadian Sheppard upon his doping positive

To put this bluntly, we thus have a clear doping conspiracy involving multiple Canadian cyclists that may have continued for a period of years.

More notably, Chris Sheppard assured us in 2005 that his doping positive resulted from a one-time-only experience with EPO. Based upon Rasumussen's allegations, Sheppard was clearly lying. Rasmussen has articulated that Sheppard was involved with EPO at least two years prior to his positive test and claim of a one-time EPO involvement.

Ryder has further advised that he was doping PRIOR to the incident(s) outlined by Rasmussen.

Thus, given the close associations between these four riders alone, and at least one known example of collusion, it appears that there may have has been an active doping collusion within Canadian Cycling that has gone on for years.

Dave.

 

[oldcrank]

The Canadian women have had some successes on the
track the last few years (and I think their coach is/was
British!!)...perhaps the poster known as Dear Wiggo
will post some pictures of the Canadian women track
cyclists like he did with the Canadian heptathletes.

 

[D-Queued]

The Canadian women have had some successes on the
track the last few years (and I think their coach is/was
British!!)...perhaps the poster known as Dear Wiggo
will post some pictures of the Canadian women track
cyclists like he did with the Canadian heptathletes.

You might be disappointed...

At the pictures, that is.

Dave.

 

[MartinGT]

While it has been pro-active in the statements released and justifiably pointing out that the UCI needs to fix its relationship with WADA, Cycling Canada is overlooking the obvious, and is not doing enough itself:

The allegations towards Chris Sheppard, Seamus McGrath and Ryder Hesjedal dating back to 2003 are another example of why the international federation (International Cycling Union – UCI) needs to come to agreement with WADA on a way to deal with such allegations of historic doping.

(Note that the Cycling Canada site, cyclingcanada.ca, is currently inaccessible)



Thus, this arguably shifts the blame when:

1. All three cyclists identified by Rasmussen were Canadian

2. Two of the three already have doping related suspensions (McGrath was suspended for a high Hematocrit in 1997, and Sheppard was banned for two years in 2005 for an EPO positive)

3. Those doping related suspensions came YEARS BEFORE and AFTER the alleged incident(s) involving Rasmussen

4. Another Canadian Cyclist with a doping suspension (Roland Green) was very active in making a public case in defense of fellow Canadian Sheppard upon his doping positive

To put this bluntly, we thus have a clear doping conspiracy involving multiple Canadian cyclists that may have continued for a period of years.

More notably, Chris Sheppard assured us in 2005 that his doping positive resulted from a one-time-only experience with EPO. Based upon Rasumussen's allegations, Sheppard was clearly lying. Rasmussen has articulated that Sheppard was involved with EPO at least two years prior to his positive test and claim of a one-time EPO involvement.

Ryder has further advised that he was doping PRIOR to the incident(s) outlined by Rasmussen.

Thus, given the close associations between these four riders alone, and at least one known example of collusion, it appears that there may have has been an active doping collusion within Canadian Cycling that has gone on for years.

Dave.

Didnt Michael Barry admit doping too

 

[sniper]

btw. Can we actually talk about JV the same frank way we talk about guys like Bruyneel and Riis? I've often gotten the feeling JV enjoys more protection than those guys for the simple reason that he posts in here.

Of course that you asked a JV question and discuss JV in the wrong thread is not surprising.

thanks for proving my point.

 

[D-Queued]

Didnt Michael Barry admit doping too

Thanks!

If, and more probably when, I provide further data to the CCES - and there is quite a bit more data - I will include Michael in that summary.

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Cross-posting to try and keep the Ryder related stuff on the Ryder thread:

So, how many of the Canadian gang are now busted or have confessed? Four for four?

At least four cyclists that were on the same team, rode with one another, vouched for one another in an anti-doping action, and/or are part of the Rasmussen allegations.

1. Ryder confessed; implicated by Rasmussen

2. Michael Barry confessed; rode on same team as Ryder

3. Chris Sheppard tested positive for EPO and banned for two years; implicated by Rasmussen; rode on Jamis with McGrath

4. Roland Green banned for six months; vouched for Sheppard's cleanliness

5. Seamus McGrath banned from competition for high Hematocrit; implicated by Rasmussen; rode with Sheppard on Jamis and on Rocky Mountain

All have represented Canada in international competition, and (not including Barry who was road only) arguably dominating the MTB scene.

Oh, and just noticed that Shep has a link to Rasmussen's fan page on his Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/chris.sheppard.5855.

Any bets on when that gets that link removed?

Dave.

Dave.

 

[oldcrank]

....it appears that there may have has been an active doping collusion within Canadian Cycling that has gone on for years.

Yes! Wasn't William John Peden born in the same town as Ryder, and
didn't he go on to dominate American cycling much the same as
Tilford points out Ryder and his Canadian mountain bike mates did?

 

[D-Queued]

Yes! Wasn't William John Peden born in the same town as Ryder, and
didn't he go on to dominate American cycling much the same as
Tilford points out Ryder and his Canadian mountain bike mates did?

I may not be old enough to remember that, but not so old that I didn't know Torchy is in the BC Sports Hall of Fame. Having lived in BC, Torchy would have been automatically immune from doping.

A bit more recently, there was a book written by a Canadian about his cycling, and doping experience in the '80s.

That book containing a forward by one Robert Roll. Bobke apparently having been the person that instructed said Canadian to head to Belgium where he received his real insights on professional cycling.

Neither he nor Torchy rode MTB, though. So, probably not related to this group.

Dave.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Originally Posted by D-Queued View Post
....it appears that there may have has been an active doping collusion within Canadian Cycling that has gone on for years.

Yeah, as well as USA cycling, Spanish cycling, Italian, Russian, Kazakh, Belgian cycling. Actually all but French cycling, on second thought, the French too.
I bet every cycling country has these little pods of guys who share their preparation secrets along with sometimes training together etc. They are usually the guys who are on the Pro Tour teams.

 

[happychappy]

2. Two of the three already have doping related suspensions (McGrath was suspended for a high Hematocrit in 1997, and Sheppard was banned for two years in 2005 for an EPO positive)

4. Another Canadian Cyclist with a doping suspension (Roland Green) was very active in making a public case in defense of fellow Canadian Sheppard upon his doping positive



Dave.

I like the way you list exactly what Sheppard was banned for but you simply refer to Green as "a doping suspension". It's all about the spin isn't it.

Roland Green was banned for 6 months for not renewing a TUE on his Asthma inhaler.

 

[TheGame]

Leinders fault. Via the other place.

 

[thehog]

Leinders fault. Via the other place.

Where does the magic pen come from to reveal those names?

And 2004!!

 

[mb2612]

2004 is fine, that's outside the SOL.

If he doped in '05 then there is a problem.

 

[the sceptic]

2004 is fine, that's outside the SOL.

If he doped in '05 then there is a problem.

But doesnt that mean he lied when he said "more than 10 years ago?"

 

[TheGame]

Where does the magic pen come from to reveal those names?

And 2004!!

It's just speculation. Loads of riders have names that long, and lots of doctors have names that end in "s"

 

[Netserk]

But doesnt that mean he lied when he said "more than 10 years ago?"

And from http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...poken-out-sooner-about-doping-confession.aspx

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It certainly doesn't seem like he has confessed to doping after 2003.

 

[zlev11]

he doesn't really have any big results from 2005 and 2006, i dunno. his 2005 is dreadful, and 17th at the 2006 Dauphine, 14 minutes behind, while everyone was withdrawing blood for the Tour isn't much. if he was doping those years then it wasn't working too well.

unless there is insider info that he was doping at Phonak, I don't really see anything that sticks out that says he was, other than the reputation of the team. remember that they only gave Landis the money to support his program, he had to find the stuff himself. i really don't believe the entire team was on a systematic doping program.

 

[sniper]

And from http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...poken-out-sooner-about-doping-confession.aspx



It certainly doesn't seem like he has confessed to doping after 2003.

generally, i've seen nothing to suggest there would be any discrepancy between ryder's public confession and his under-oath-confession.

 

[Beech Mtn]

he doesn't really have any big results from 2005 and 2006, i dunno. his 2005 is dreadful, and 17th at the 2006 Dauphine, 14 minutes behind, while everyone was withdrawing blood for the Tour isn't much. if he was doping those years then it wasn't working too well.

unless there is insider info that he was doping at Phonak, I don't really see anything that sticks out that says he was, other than the reputation of the team. remember that they only gave Landis the money to support his program, he had to find the stuff himself. i really don't believe the entire team was on a systematic doping program.

If you read Tyler's book, groups of the Phonak guys were travelling to Spain and doing transfusions in the same hotel suite, within sight of each other. Now, whether Phonak in '06 might have scaled back a bit after OP blew up - I suppose it's possible, but seems unlikely.

Floyd did sit down with Rihs and layout the money needed for doping, but seemed to be mostly about Floyd making sure he had the owner's blessing to do what was needed (plus the money for it). And he got that blessing.

There's also the issue that just because the big guns are all on a program, doesn't necessarily mean every team member was doping. But then lots of domestiques have also been busted for doping.

 

[sniper]

he doesn't really have any big results from 2005 and 2006, i dunno. his 2005 is dreadful, and 17th at the 2006 Dauphine, 14 minutes behind, while everyone was withdrawing blood for the Tour isn't much. if he was doping those years then it wasn't working too well.

unless there is insider info that he was doping at Phonak, I don't really see anything that sticks out that says he was, other than the reputation of the team. remember that they only gave Landis the money to support his program, he had to find the stuff himself. i really don't believe the entire team was on a systematic doping program.

2005 was also his transition from MTB to the road.
perhaps his MTB program simply didn't cut it for the road.

or perhaps he worked with leinders in 2003/4, but not afterwards.

 

[sniper]

And from http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...poken-out-sooner-about-doping-confession.aspx



It certainly doesn't seem like he has confessed to doping after 2003.

it doesn't.

again, i find it odd and inappropriate that USADA vouched for the truthfulness of Hesjedal's under oath confession.