Ryder's blood

[Ferminal]

Was that really a policy? I thought it was that they only be open with him, and only admit to authorities if they were cornered.

Otherwise Vaughters himself and Danielson et al would have gone to USADA well before 2012.

 

[del1962]

Does Ryder's statement give enough wiggle room to allow him to have doped after 2003, without it being a lie?

 

[Jan the Man]

Ullrich's statement after retirement is as pertinent as ever.

 

[Ferminal]

Does Ryder's statement give enough wiggle room to allow him to have doped after 2003, without it being a lie?

Hopefully not, cyclists are always truthful.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Ryder certainly looked clean in this year's Giro

Last years? Well it doesn't look great now

 

[JimmyFingers]

I raced many times against Ryder Hesjedal back in the early 2000s back in my mountain bike days. His doping doesn't come as a surprise. In 2003 he and Roland Green swept 19 World Cup and NORBA races. They were mid-pack (still excellent) racers a couple years before. In my final big MTB race, current world champion Filip Meirhaeghe got busted for EPO. It was obviously all around me and it didn't even occur to me at the time what was going on.

Do I feel cheated? Not really. I trained my guts out, but I also worked as an engineer and did whatever I could to satisfy my racing ambitions. I definitely had better options that being a MTB racer. They were all better than me regardless of what they were on. But what's ironic is that all of them were better than the rest of the pack and they were in an arms race against themselves.

But doping got Ryder to where he is today and paid off for him in the long run. What about all those competitors who fully committed but never took that path? What names never made it because of this arms race at the top? I'm certainly not one of them, but I can think of many who could have been.

They're probably feeling quite cheated right now.

I'm all for a truth and reconciliation process, but what kind of example does it set for the up and comer's who are facing the same decision? It's a tough one...

Has anyone posted this? From CyclingTips facebook feed

 

[Ferminal]

Has anyone posted this? From CyclingTips facebook feed

More or less what Dave has been saying too.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Whether he's racing clean now is rather a moot point, given that his career up until this point has been based on lies.

 

[Taxus4a]

Whether he's racing clean now is rather a moot point, given that his career up until this point has been based on lies.

Till the begining of this year he told USADA what he had to say.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Till the begining of this year he told USADA what he had to say.

Not sure a confidential chat with USADA 10 months ago excuses a career based on doping. Questions have to be asked of his Giro win, which was in stark contrast to his form this year.

I do take the view that if he was at it, it wasn't with the knowledge of his team, wanting to give JV the benefit of the doubt.

 

[TomasC]

Was that really a policy? I thought it was that they only be open with him, and only admit to authorities if they were cornered.

Otherwise Vaughters himself and Danielson et al would have gone to USADA well before 2012.

You're right, it's all explained in this post by Dr. M.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

How cleans was Ryder when he was beating serious doper Filip Meirhaeghe?

 

[blackcat]

Jan,

yes

2+2

equals

dopage.

doping just once = public are all idjits in arithmetic

 

[blackcat]

How cleans was Ryder when he was beating serious doper Filip Meirhaeghe?

as clean as he was last year at the Giro.

And JV can swear on his oath/heart, Ryder was clean.

JV, most give doping a crap less than the consistent mistruths. Dope sure, but dont double down with the lying.

 

[Lanark]

When did Hesjedal do his 'confession' to WADA etc.?

The fact that Rasmussen confessed everything to the Danish doping authorities was known in january, Hesjedal could at that point have known with near certainty that Rasmussen fingered him (Rasmussen said he told them everything he knew, including names). If Hesjedal's confession came after that, it is of little to no value, just somebody who knows he's going to get busted trying to stay ahead of the story.

If the Hesjedal confession came before that, it would have a little more value, although the fact that he only confessed to crimes outside the SOL makes it more than a little supicious.

 

[sniper]

Has anyone posted this? From CyclingTips facebook feed

Great snippet, thanks.
Gets to the heart of the issue and illustrates why team garmin score rather high on the hypocricy scale.

 

[sniper]

When did Hesjedal do his 'confession' to WADA etc.?

The fact that Rasmussen confessed everything to the Danish doping authorities was known in january, Hesjedal could at that point have known with near certainty that Rasmussen fingered him (Rasmussen said he told them everything he knew, including names). If Hesjedal's confession came after that, it is of little to no value, just somebody who knows he's going to get busted trying to stay ahead of the story.

If the Hesjedal confession came before that, it would have a little more value, although the fact that he only confessed to crimes outside the SOL makes it more than a little supicious.

And wasnt he mentioned in one of the usada affidavits? Or is that unconfirmed rumors?

 

[The Hitch]

When did Hesjedal do his 'confession' to WADA etc.?

The fact that Rasmussen confessed everything to the Danish doping authorities was known in january, Hesjedal could at that point have known with near certainty that Rasmussen fingered him (Rasmussen said he told them everything he knew, including names). If Hesjedal's confession came after that, it is of little to no value, just somebody who knows he's going to get busted trying to stay ahead of the story.

If the Hesjedal confession came before that, it would have a little more value, although the fact that he only confessed to crimes outside the SOL makes it more than a little supicious.

the quote I read he says he confessed "over a year ago", so before Rasmussen. As I understand it he confessed after being contacted by usada. Presumably he said he doped in 2003, outside sol, but not on postal.

 

[Netserk]

the quote I read he says he confessed "over a year ago", so before Rasmussen. As I understand it he confessed after being contacted by usada. Presumably he said he doped in 2003, outside sol, but not on postal.

According to USADA it was earlier this year.

USADA confirmed to Cyclingnews that Hesjedal had been interviewed by them and CCES. “As has been publicly reported, we can confirm that USADA, along with the Canadian Center for Ethics in Sport (CCES), interviewed cyclist, Ryder Hesjedal, earlier this year as part of our ongoing investigation into the sport of cycling," CEO Travis Tygart said. "Athletes like him and others, who have voluntarily come in, taken accountability for their actions and have been fully truthful, are essential to securing a brighter future for the sport of cycling.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hesjedal-admits-to-doping-says-evidence-was-given-to-usada

edit: and from another article:

The CCES confirmed that it met with Hesjedal and the US Anti Doping Agency in spring of this year, and that Hesjedal admitted past doping use then. It said that because of the delay in the Canadian rider coming forward, that he had effectively sidestepped any sanction.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...poken-out-sooner-about-doping-confession.aspx

edit2: So he has only admitted that he doped in 2003, also from the same velonation article:

“It is important to note that the World Anti-Doping Code has an eight-year statute of limitations. As such, unfortunately Mr. Hesjedal’s acknowledgement of doping in 2003 will not result in a violation or any sanction.”

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Great podium.

http://www.wielerland.nl/index.php?Itemid=305&id=11934&option=com_content&task=view
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...-marathon-champ-paulissen-for-doping-2_251565

 

[sniper]

According to USADA it was earlier this year.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hesjedal-admits-to-doping-says-evidence-was-given-to-usada

bit off topic, but I really dont get why usada feel a need to vouch for the truthfullness of ryders testimony (as they did previously with the other affidavits).

 

[Ferminal]

the quote I read he says he confessed "over a year ago", so before Rasmussen. As I understand it he confessed after being contacted by usada. Presumably he said he doped in 2003, outside sol, but not on postal.

If Rasmussen wasn't the trigger (and this is a separate incident) then it's a mystery who implicated him.

Prior to 2004 the extent of his career was MTB and RB3. No one at Rabo would have spoken to USADA, who would he have come across in MTB?

And USADA would only be involved if it was related to their existing investigation. The Danish ADA would have gone direct to CCES.

 

[thehog]

as clean as he was last year at the Giro.

And JV can swear on his oath/heart, Ryder was clean.

JV, most give doping a crap less than the consistent mistruths. Dope sure, but dont double down with the lying.

JV said he'd bet his life on it.

JV might die? I will never die.

 

[Netserk]

If Rasmussen wasn't the trigger (and this is a separate incident) then it's a mystery who implicated him.

Prior to 2004 the extent of his career was MTB and RB3. No one at Rabo would have spoken to USADA, who would he have come across in MTB?

Wasn't he also redacted in the RD?

 

[goggalor]

Does Ryder's statement give enough wiggle room to allow him to have doped after 2003, without it being a lie?

Nope. He's saying he did in fact dope during those two weeks at Rasmussen's, he hasn't admitted to **** all else, and denied that he did anything after that.