Ryder's blood

[Digger]

2005 was also his transition from MTB to the road.
perhaps his MTB program simply didn't cut it for the road.

or perhaps he worked with leinders in 2003/4, but not afterwards.

he doped afterwards

 

[Dr. Maserati]

it doesn't.

again, i find it odd and inappropriate that USADA vouched for the truthfulness of Hesjedal's under oath confession.

Have you read Hesjedal's USADA under oath confession? Of course not - so you don't know when he says he stopped doping.

More importantly, USADA have the testimony of many riders so they will be able to piece together what is and is not truthful. If he is caught lying he will be in big trouble and rightly so.

And just so we are clear - I don't believe RH stopped in 2003 - it would seem incredible to not continue what he had started until at least the Olympics of 2004. Still outside the SoL.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

he doped afterwards

Have to ask - how do you know this, or is this just your own opinion?

 

[sniper]

he doped afterwards

no doubt.
question is has he confessed to post-2003 doping under oath?

usada must have known ryder's 2004 doping-praxis from barry's affidavit.
therefore, provided that ryder is indeed the redacted name, the fact that in their official statement usada vouched for the truthfulness of ryder's testimony seems to suggest ryder has indeed confessed under oath to 2004 doping.

either that or he's not the redacted name in barry's affidavit.
(or ryder has perhaps claimed he took epo from barry but didn't actually use it?)

 

[D-Queued]

I like the way you list exactly what Sheppard was banned for but you simply refer to Green as "a doping suspension". It's all about the spin isn't it.

Roland Green was banned for 6 months for not renewing a TUE on his Asthma inhaler.

My apologies. You are correct, I should or could have included this.

Then again, as a professional and multi-time world champ, Roland might not have been aware of the rules.

Heck, he could even have pulled a Genevieve Jeanson and claimed he was too emotional to renew it.

Or, he could have obtained a backdated TUE like Lance.

But, no, he blew it (sic) and forgot that is well-known asthma condition required a substance that was on the then banned substance list.

And, what's worse, his buddy Shep was using EPO for years and years, along with some of his other buddies, and Rolly thought he was just a good guy that fell victim to a bad period.

Fortunately, unlike Silken Laumann's sudafed, at least Rolly got to keep his medals.

How is that for spin?

Personally, I don't take aspirin without checking the List first. Then again, I am not much of a threat to be a multi-time world champ so why bother?

YMMV.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Have you read Hesjedal's USADA under oath confession? Of course not - so you don't know when he says he stopped doping.

More importantly, USADA have the testimony of many riders so they will be able to piece together what is and is not truthful. If he is caught lying he will be in big trouble and rightly so.

And just so we are clear - I don't believe RH stopped in 2003 - it would seem incredible to not continue what he had started until at least the Olympics of 2004. Still outside the SoL.

agreed.
having given it a second thought (see also my previous post):
the fact that usada vouch for ryder's truthfulness combined with the fact(which isn't yet a fact but let's assume) that ryder is implicated as doping in 2004 by barry's affidavit could suggest ryder did actually confess to doping post-2003.

question would then of course be: why the discrepancy between his public statement and the under-oath-confession?

 

[Digger]

Have to ask - how do you know this, or is this just your own opinion?

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[pastronef]

agreed.
having given it a second thought (see also my previous post):
the fact that usada vouch for ryder's truthfulness combined with the fact(which isn't yet a fact but let's assume) that ryder is implicated as doping in 2004 by barry's affidavit could suggest ryder did actually confess to doping post-2003.

question would then of course be: why the discrepancy between his public statement and the under-oath-confession?

because Rasmussen just spoke about 2003.

 

[Netserk]

because Rasmussen just spoke about 2003.

Why the CCES quote then? (see post 366)

 

[neineinei]

Why does the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport say that Ryder confessed to them in the spring of this year (which must mean after it became publicly known that Rasmussen had confessed, no way it is spring in Canada in January) when Vaughters tweeted yesterday that Ryder "was 100% truthful,under oath,w CCES+USADA a v long time ago"? Either "a v long time ago" means maximum 9 months ago or CCES doesn't know their calendar.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

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Its a simple question Dig.

You logged in, you clicked the Clinic, you read some posts and you chose to post.
You decided for some reason to post that "he doped afterwards" - no one forced you to comment or intervene.

So again, did you hear that, or is it your opinion?
(From that I can decide whether it has merit)

 

[mewmewmew13]

he doped afterwards

c'mon digger
you usually post a link or explanation when you make a statement like that here....

 

[pastronef]

Kenny Pryde ‏@KenBobPryde 2h
Two-time suspended, unrepentant Michele Scarponi signs for Astana the same day Hesjedal gets a pummelling. What's that Twitter? <tumbleweed>

 

[thehog]

c'mon digger
you usually post a link or explanation when you make a statement like that here....

I agree with Digs.

RH doped after the so called end of doping.

 

[thehog]

Kenny Pryde ‏@KenBobPryde 2h
Two-time suspended, unrepentant Michele Scarponi signs for Astana the same day Hesjedal gets a pummelling. What's that Twitter? <tumbleweed>

He's Italian? Everyone should be getting stuck into him.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I agree with Digs.

RH doped after the so called end of doping.

I'm not saying at all that I think he stopped in 2003...
but when a weighty statement is dropped there is usually a link or at least a statement of some reason posted...

keeps it diff from 'opinion' or 'hearsay'

 

[Benotti69]

I'm not saying at all that I think he stopped in 2003...
but when a weighty statement is dropped there is usually a link or at least a statement of some reason posted...

keeps it diff from 'opinion' or 'hearsay'

Maybe riding for Bruyneel and Rihs is a giveaway.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Maybe riding for Bruyneel and Rihs is a giveaway.

like I said I do think he continued doping...but if there is some good info I'd appreciate hearing more connected to the original brief sentence....that's all

 

[Benotti69]

like I said I do think he continued doping...but if there is some good info I'd appreciate hearing more connected to the original brief sentence....that's all

It may come out in the hearing in London should Bruyneel feel the need.

 

[The Hitch]

Kenny Pryde ‏@KenBobPryde 2h
Two-time suspended, unrepentant Michele Scarponi signs for Astana the same day Hesjedal gets a pummelling. What's that Twitter? <tumbleweed>

Well duh. Scarponi didnt get caught now. Scarponi had his "you're a doper" time, last decade and again in 2012.

Today is Hesjedals time, getting exposed. Not Scarponis, not Pantanis, not Armstrongs or Hamiltons or anyone elses. Hesjedals.

Why on earth would we bring up news from nearly 8 years ago the day Hesjedal gets caught.

And who is this kenny person anyway?

 

[D-Queued]

Kenny Pryde ‏@KenBobPryde 2h
Two-time suspended, unrepentant Michele Scarponi signs for Astana the same day Hesjedal gets a pummelling. What's that Twitter? <tumbleweed>

Difference between a doper and a crook.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I would guess..just my opinion...that Bruyneel would like to see a LOT come out in the arbitration
it's been pent up inside him for a long time and he seems like the 'payback' kinda guy

 

[Benotti69]

I would guess..just my opinion...that Bruyneel would like to see a LOT come out in the arbitration
it's been pent up inside him for a long time and he seems like the 'payback' kinda guy

Not sure whether Bruyneel will spill the beans. He is old school so still might feel he cannot spit in the soup, but I would like him to tell all.

 

[Benotti69]

Difference between a doper and a crook.

Dave.

Hesjedal = doper = Scarponi = doper.

Armstrong = crook

 

[Digger]

Its a simple question Dig.

You logged in, you clicked the Clinic, you read some posts and you chose to post.
You decided for some reason to post that "he doped afterwards" - no one forced you to comment or intervene.

So again, did you hear that, or is it your opinion?
(From that I can decide whether it has merit)

It is not my opinion. But yes I do stand by it.