Ryders crash -motor?

[Benotti69]

That motor has an absolutely endless power supply! Ryder keeps it running even when barrelling downhill.

This is possible. A rider pedalling can recharge the battery if it is designed a certain way.

 

[GoodTimes]

I don't think it was on during the descent, but maybe the crash accidentally turned it on?

Do you think the crash turned on his motor?

LOL this reminds me of the mock-question "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

 

[Granville57]

Do you think the crash turned on his motor?

We're going in circles now.



No pun intended.

 

[GoodTimes]

This is possible. A rider pedalling can recharge the battery if it is deseigned a certain way.

Indeed, a Ryder pedalling can recharge a battery. However, IF there is a motor in his hub or whatever, and IF it was in "regen" mode, then it would NOT be contributing energy to the wheel after Ryder crashes.

Think of an electric car while you are braking. The motor is running "in reverse" to generate power (to the battery, or whatever). It is not simultaneously running "in normal mode" to output power to the wheels, and propel the car.

 

[Benotti69]

Indeed, a Ryder pedalling can recharge a battery. However, IF there is a motor in his hub or whatever, and IF it was in "regen" mode, then it would NOT be contributing energy to the wheel after Ryder crashes.

Think of an electric car while you are braking. The motor is running "in reverse" to generate power (to the battery, or whatever). It is not simultaneously running "in normal mode" to output power to the wheels, and propel the car.

comparing cars and bikes aint working for me.........

 

[the sceptic]

havent read the thread but how would the peloton react to motor cheating?

my guess is that doping is seen as part of the game but a bike motor is real cheating so omerta wouldnt cover it and thus there would be outrage if something like that was going on.

 

[GoodTimes]

comparing cars and bikes aint working for me.........

I'm actually not sure if you're serious or not.

It's just an illustration or analogy to explain the fundamental workings of an electric motor and an electric generator. I'm not comparing cars to bikes. This is just how a motor works. Wikipedia probably has some useful information for you if you look at electric generators and electric motors.

Edit: I realize that you may not believe what's written on Wikipedia, as it's possible they are in on the motor conspiracy as well. I suggest you get out of your house, motor your bike to the nearest library. Electric Motors have run off of the same principles since their invention in the 1800s--There is probably a book about it that predates the current motor conspiracy that you could use as an unbiased source for information

 

[MarkvW]

havent read the thread but how would the peloton react to motor cheating?

my guess is that doping is seen as part of the game but a bike motor is real cheating so omerta wouldnt cover it and thus there would be outrage if something like that was going on.

There might be a little outrage, but nothing that an under the table money payment wouldn't fix.

 

[sniper]

...Ryder, doesn't seem to be scared off at all by the controversy around his bike, motors his way to a stage win.

nice

Johnny 'I tell unfunny jokes when asked serious questions' Vaughters.

that sums him up nicely i'd say.
Transparency? Nah, let's ridicule the message and/or messengers.

That was my first contribution to this thread. I haven't even watched the video of the bike after his crash the other day that this all started from, because I don't care, and I didn't care about the Cancellara bike motor rumours either. 99% sure it's nonsense. I mean, a motor in a bike is plausible, but seems like a really stupidly obvious way to cheat.

We know cyclists are willing to cheat and lie endlessly and put their lifes at risk to get a procontract and improve results. In fact, you might even agree that many guys in the propeloton only got there thanks to such an attitude. Yet you assume they wouldn't experiment with motorization techniques? I'd be interested to hear what you make of Cassani and Boardman's accusations/warnings about motorization.

That motor has an absolutely endless power supply! Ryder keeps it running even when barrelling downhill.

has been addressed upthread. doesn't mean much either way. (good points in this regard by benotti and netserk)

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hesjedal testing positive would be hillarious. Please make it happen UCI.

Yes make it happen PLEASE.

I'm with you. Can't stand the Garmin Dopers. And Hesjedal with his ridiculous goggles and ugly *** riding style is the worst.

 

[sniper]

havent read the thread but how would the peloton react to motor cheating?

my guess is that doping is seen as part of the game but a bike motor is real cheating so omerta wouldnt cover it and thus there would be outrage if something like that was going on.

valid point.
was discussed upthread after hrotha raised the same argument.
summary of why the argument is, imo, flawed:
- both Cassani and Boardman have warned the UCI about motorization being widespread in the peloton (links to articles upthread), yet this hasn't found any resonance in the peloton. Crickets, not one cyclist wondering whether there might be any truth in the accusations..
- There were hot rumors of motorization surrounding Cancellara, yet again no resonance, no questioning, nothing, among members of the peloton. crickets.
- look at how A. Rasmussen reacts to the Ryder-accusations, backing up Ryder with an argument (rather a piece of footage supposedly debunking the motorization hypothesis) that is so flawed it reeks of omerta.

i lack time to go back and search the links now, might do that later.

edit:

There might be a little outrage, but nothing that an under the table money payment wouldn't fix.

fair point me thinks

 

[Cycle Chic]

Kirby and Kelly discussed it today...Kelly said the footage was interesting.

 

[SeriousSam]

Yet more proof that all the big sports papers as well as Eurosport commentators and, obviously, JV, are reading the clinic. They'd never have noticed Ryder's motorised bike otherwise.

Our carefully argued for theories are probably even more influential than we realise.

 

[cineteq]

@saddleblaze: "Utterly brilliant win for Ryder Hesjedal today - motored up La Camperona for stage 14 glory in #LaVuelta"

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

Ryder should be asking for his money back given that the GC group gained 5 mins on him in the last 10 k. Some motor if all he can do is haul in the guy who barely got a sip of whatever Saxo Tinkoff were having for breakfast, while the Dawg and friends are TTing behind him.

 

[Granville57]

Anyone been following the latest Twitter account?

https://twitter.com/RydersMotor

Ryder's Motor
@RydersMotor
The top secret HesJ-2012 Argyle Cycling Warp Drive. I can neither confirm nor deny that I exist.

 

[sniper]

Anyone been following the latest Twitter account?

https://twitter.com/RydersMotor

lame if you ask me, but let that be a matter of taste.
anyway, more evidence that Garmin are reading in here (with sweaty hands, no doubt): Granville, he's taken your hint to try and deal with the situation with humor.

nice opportunity this turns out to be for Ryder to avoid and/or deflect away from embarrassing doping inquiries.

 

[Almeisan]

Yet more proof that all the big sports papers as well as Eurosport commentators and, obviously, JV, are reading the clinic. They'd never have noticed Ryder's motorised bike otherwise.

Our carefully argued for theories are probably even more influential than we realise.

They keep quiet about all the stuff that isn't total bonkers.

 

[the delgados]

Anyone been following the latest Twitter account?

https://twitter.com/RydersMotor

I lol'd. Also, given the rampant corruption in cycling, I understand why people think Ryder's bike might contain a motor. But does anyone think JV would be so jokey about it on twitter if this was the case. C'mon. I would not be the least bit surprised if the guy was doped, but yeah, no motor.

 

[RownhamHill]

Still works fine for me.

The original Steephill link:
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Ryder+Hesjedal+crashes+out+of+Stage+7+break+then+cameraman+drives+over+his+bike&dashboard=vuelta-a-espana&id=OBvgUBpJSkk&yr=2014

The same clip on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBvgUBpJSkk

The longer (and in my view more entertaining) version from Universal Sports:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk5e_XQnfp4

Thanks for these, but none are working for me. Must be a problem with my phone! Thanks for the links though, will try them on another device at some point.

 

[Tonton]

Yet more proof that all the big sports papers as well as Eurosport commentators and, obviously, JV, are reading the clinic. They'd never have noticed Ryder's motorised bike otherwise.

Our carefully argued for theories are probably even more influential than we realise.

I can't help chuckling at the thought of JV, Ryder, or Chris Horner following their threads in The Clinic

They must have nightmares filled with the smiley Joker face of Benotti69

 

[D-Queued]

I can't help chuckling at the thought of JV, Ryder, or Chris Horner following their threads in The Clinic

They must have nightmares filled with the smiley Joker face of Benotti69

I dunno. If I were Ryder, I would definitely find the whole motorized thread pretty funny no matter how extreme the positions are stated.

Dave.

 

[Tonton]

Yes make it happen PLEASE.

I'm with you. Can't stand the Garmin Dopers. And Hesjedal with his ridiculous goggles and ugly *** riding style is the worst.

It's easier to get away with doping than having a motor if tested for both.

Hesjedal testing positive would be hillarious. Please make it happen UCI.

I dunno. If I were Ryder, I would definitely find the whole motorized thread pretty funny no matter how extreme the positions are stated.

Dave.

True, the motor part is quite hilarious, some of the comments may hurt his feelings though...

 

[zlev11]

Really? Any rider would be complete idiots to go out and win when they've been doping, since the winner is always tested and there's no way they would get away with it.

If there was a motor, and they were confident enough it wouldn't be detected, then they wouldn't need to remove it. Same as all riders who win races while doping do so in the belief they won't be caught.

Ryder winning today doesn't prove anything at all in either direction, other than that Hesjedal can win races from the break and Jonathan Vaughters gets annoyed when his team is put into question by the press, which we already knew.

I would think that if the UCI inspected a bike with a motor on it there's a pretty high chance that they would find it. I really don't think the attraction of winning a single stage of the Vuelta would outweigh the risk of being caught in this instance. It would be the equivalent of (but probably still worse than) charging yourself up to 60% with EPO and then going out and stomping the race, there's no way in hell you'd get away with it. If a team is caught with a motor in their bike, that's the end of the team and the end of a career for any rider caught using one. In my view it's a completely different level of cheating from using performance enhancing drugs. A team can claim a rider was doping on his own, or a rider can even make excuses and sometimes even justify his own doping, as flawed as their reasons may be. If a team is caught with a motor there is no way they wouldn't either get completely banned from the sport or lose all of their sponsors on the spot. There would be absolutely no way out of it.

I agree that todays performance doesn't prove that he wasn't using a motor before, but it would be career suicide for a guy to use a motor to win a race right in the middle of a controversy about it. If Hesjedal was getting dropped off the back of the peloton on small climbs every day then that would certainly seem much more suspect.

That said, I have no idea if they inspected the bike or not.

 

[Granville57]

I agree with all of the above, but just to play devil's advocate for the fun of it...

If we use the history of doping as a template, I could imagine some team mechanically altering one (or more) of their bikes, if they knew ahead of time what type of bike inspection to expect from the UCI.

Just as the long-repeatd mantra of "I never tested positive" has proven to be absolutely worthless, the fact that the UCI is checking bikes doesn't necessary mean that they are checking very thoroughly, or for more than one specific type of device. If a team says, "Well our bikes passed the UCI inspection, so obviously we aren't mechanically doping our equipment," it doesn't really tell us all that much.

I think the risk of hoping to get away with it would be completely insane, but I wouldn't be shocked if someone were caught out in the near future.

For Garmin to do it?
As has been mentioned, they'd be finished. Top to bottom. Never to return. The cycling media would create a firestorm far beyond anything that included the word "Lance."

I disagree with those who think the entire peloton wouldn't turn viciously against anyone caught doing such a thing. ESPECIALLY, if it resulted in the winning of races. I would compare it to the anger that erupts sometimes immediately after a dodgy sprint finish. Riders and managers both would be furious and vocal about it.

And besides the official reaction to it all, do you want to see roadside fans deliberately interfering with a race? Have their favorite team get beaten by a motor. Then have that motorized team try to ride up a mountain. Any mountain. Anywhere. It would get very ugly, very fast. Total banishment from the sport for the offenders and everyone associated with them would be the only hope of moving forward.

It may have happened before, but I think this whole motor-gate affair is actually making it less likely that it will happen in the immediate future. At least from any of the higher profile teams. However, in the more obscure regions, with lesser known riders and management, nothing would surprise me.