Ryders crash -motor?

[Granville57]

Wild accusations + ridicule + humor + assumptions presented as facts + serious discussion side by side.

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[Master50]

Spoiler alert at the end

Put me in the NO Motor crowd but this thread has some entertainment value. In terms of a motor for a rear hub the shell size would have to be at least as big as a power tap hub. In terms of providing useful HP the motor would need to be bigger than could fit in a standard rear hub. Most consumer bikes have 250 watt motors and they would never get that much HP in a standard hub from any manufacturer. A pro might only need 50 to 100 watts and even then would only use it for making efforts rather than downhill Motors, even rare earth magnet motors can only get so small until they offer no help.

I am sure they are checking his bike right now that he has just won the stage

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

So where is Ryder hiding that turbocharger?

 

[burning]

I'm pretty sure that UCI will check his bike

 

[the sceptic]

So where is Ryder hiding that turbocharger?

in his blood

 

[kielbasa]

That little motor almost caused him to crash again right at the line. Ryder buddy, you gotta keep your hands on the handlebars with all those extra watts in the rear hub.

 

[kielbasa]

I'm pretty sure that UCI will check his bike

And hopefully Froome's. I'm amazed how he can go from struggling to attacking in a flick of a switch (so to say).

 

[kingjr]

And hopefully Froome's. I'm amazed how he can go from struggling to attacking in a flick of a switch (so to say).

It's called not following attacks and saving what you have for the finish.

It's not like he's done that for the first time today in the last 2 years.

Anyway, about Ryder, doesn't seem to be scared off at all by the controversy around his bike, motors his way to a stage win.

 

[BYOP88]

Great day for 'clean(ER)' cycling

I bet Johnny 'I tell unfunny jokes when asked serious questions' Vaughters will be here to celebrate at some point.

 

[the sceptic]

Great day for 'clean(ER)' cycling

I bet Johnny 'I tell unfunny jokes when asked serious questions' Vaughters will be here to celebrate at some point.

the garmin dopers really annoy me more than most.

probably because of their smugness and how easy they got off.

 

[SeriousSam]

Great day for barely electrically aided racing.

 

[Granville57]

‏@Vaughters
C'mon Ryder!!! Remember, gas on the right, brake and clutch on the left.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/508275487160823809

‏@Vaughters
Big congrats to @ryder_hesjedal!!!! Now go check his bike for a motor........ Whats that i hear from @lequipe @marca @nos ??? Crickets.
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/508279122561232896

Seems the whole thing really did strike quite a nerve.

I just don't understand how winning on one of the toughest climbs of the season proves anything one way or the other about anything, really.

 

[the sceptic]

Hesjedal testing positive would be hillarious. Please make it happen UCI.

 

[jens_attacks]

 

[Granville57]

Hesjedal testing positive would be hillarious. Please make it happen UCI.

I just wish he had pulled a wheelie across the line.

That would've been the ultimate troll.

 

[Afrank]

Seems the whole thing really did strike quite a nerve.

I just don't understand how winning on one of the toughest climbs of the season proves anything one way or the other about anything, really.

Got to say, that 2nd tweet is pretty stupid. Agree with you, it doesn't prove whether Hesjedal has a motor or not. If anything it strengthens the argument of those that say he does.

 

[zlev11]

how does it strengthen the arguments of those who say he has a motor? i say it blows it up completely. both he and Garmin would be complete idiots to go out and win today with a motor on their bike, there's no way in hell they would get away with it.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

how does it strengthen the arguments of those who say he has a motor? i say it blows it up completely. both he and Garmin would be complete idiots to go out and win today with a motor on their bike, there's no way in hell they would get away with it.

Really? Any rider would be complete idiots to go out and win when they've been doping, since the winner is always tested and there's no way they would get away with it.

If there was a motor, and they were confident enough it wouldn't be detected, then they wouldn't need to remove it. Same as all riders who win races while doping do so in the belief they won't be caught.

Ryder winning today doesn't prove anything at all in either direction, other than that Hesjedal can win races from the break and Jonathan Vaughters gets annoyed when his team is put into question by the press, which we already knew.

 

[Granville57]

how does it strengthen the arguments of those who say he has a motor? i say it blows it up completely. both he and Garmin would be complete idiots to go out and win today with a motor on their bike, there's no way in hell they would get away with it.

Did the UCI inspect his bike at the finish?

I'm not trying to be Capt. Conspiracy, I just wonder if they did or not.

But I think the point being made is that to those who think Ryder is up to something nefarious, winning the hardest stage in dramatic fashion won't ease those suspicions. Would anyone in their right mind put a motor in their bike after being suspected of putting a motor in their bike, and then draw the attention of the cycling world by winning a grueling stage of a GT?

I can't imagine they would (and in this case, I can't imagine that they did). But I also couldn't imagine how a rider would blood dope in the past, and then go and make a spectacle of themselves by winning some ridiculously hard stage with ease, only to be busted for blood doping later. And that happened.

More to my initial point though:
I'm not sure how winning TODAY has any bearing whatsoever on whether or not Ryder had a motor in his bike on a PREVIOUS day. Hence my own confusion at JV's gloating over the matter.

 

[roundabout]

Really? Any rider would be complete idiots to go out and win when they've been doping, since the winner is always tested and there's no way they would get away with it.

If there was a motor, and they were confident enough it wouldn't be detected, then they wouldn't need to remove it. Same as all riders who win races while doping do so in the belief they won't be caught.

Ryder winning today doesn't prove anything at all in either direction, other than that Hesjedal can win races from the break and Jonathan Vaughters gets annoyed when his team is put into question by the press, which we already knew.

It's easier to get away with doping than having a motor if tested for both.

 

[Parker]

If there was a motor, and they were confident enough it wouldn't be detected, then they wouldn't need to remove it. Same as all riders who win races while doping do so in the belief they won't be caught.

Ryder winning today doesn't prove anything at all in either direction, other than that Hesjedal can win races from the break and Jonathan Vaughters gets annoyed when his team is put into question by the press, which we already knew.

It shows that Hesjedal can win from a break. Correct. So why gamble the entire future of the team with a motor so he can get in a break - which he was in when the 'motor' crash happened.

How can they be confident that it can't be detected? Drugs have half-lives and detection periods. Motors don't. They are still there. They don't disappear.

If you want to keep this conspiracy going, you need to imagine some sort of self destruct mechanism. Or maybe something like a Transformer which scampers away. All you have to do is imagine it. If you can imagine it then modern technology must have done it.

 

[Granville57]

Beaten to the punch yet again.

...Hesjedal can win races from the break and Jonathan Vaughters gets annoyed when his team is put into question by the press, which we already knew.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It shows that Hesjedal can win from a break. Correct. So why gamble the entire future of the team with a motor so he can get in a break - which he was in when the 'motor' crash happened.

How can they be confident that it can't be detected? Drugs have half-lives and detection periods. Motors don't. They are still there. They don't disappear.

If you want to keep this conspiracy going, you need to imagine some sort of self destruct mechanism. Or maybe something like a Transformer which scampers away. All you have to do is imagine it. If you can imagine it then modern technology must have done it.

That was my first contribution to this thread. I haven't even watched the video of the bike after his crash the other day that this all started from, because I don't care, and I didn't care about the Cancellara bike motor rumours either. 99% sure it's nonsense. I mean, a motor in a bike is plausible, but seems like a really stupidly obvious way to cheat.

I'm just saying, Ryder winning a stage doesn't immediately prove that he hasn't cheated, any more than Ryder having a bad day doesn't prove that he had to cheat whenever he had a good day.

 

[MarkvW]

That motor has an absolutely endless power supply! Ryder keeps it running even when barrelling downhill.

 

[Netserk]

That motor has an absolutely endless power supply! Ryder keeps it running even when barrelling downhill.

I don't think it was on during the descent, but maybe the crash accidentally turned it on?