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El Pistolero said:
You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.
That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
 
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Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.
That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
Here we were thinking hell was for the unbelievers; turns out it's filled to the brim with professional sporters.
 
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Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.
That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.
That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.
Nor did Valverde.
I don't need proofs, I'm not a prosecutor. Common sense leads to that "proofs". Nibali worked and is still working with Il dottore Michelle Ferrari. Gilbert rediscovered his 2009-2011 form when reunited with Ibarguren. And do you really think Boonen was only on cocaine?
And I'm not claiming Valverde is clean.
 
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Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.
That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.
Nor did Valverde.
I don't need proofs, I'm not a prosecutor. Common sense leads to that "proofs". Nibali worked and is still working with Il dottore Michelle Ferrari. Gilbert rediscovered his 2009-2011 form when reunited with Ibarguren. And do you really think Boonen was only on cocaine?
And I'm not claiming Valverde is clean.
and now Nibali is still working with Ferarri lmao? Even if he's doping nobody would be that stupid to still work with him as just being seen with him can get you banned these days. As I said, you're completely delusional and in denial. Valverde was one of the leaders at Kelme, he's guilty and the fact you still suck up to him makes you deplorable.
 
Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.
Obviously he hates Valverde and wants to make that clear apparently in all threads.
 
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Koronin said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.
Obviously he hates Valverde and wants to make that clear apparently in all threads.
Yes and others love Valverde and want to make that clear in apparently all the threads. It evens its self out I'd say.

That said. Nope he's dirty.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.
I wasn't the one that brought Valverde into this discussion. It's other people that keep bringing him up in unrelated threads, so I retaliate. I agree it's annoying, but when someone uses Valverde as an example of clean cycling I just have to respond.
 
But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.
 
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Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
Blanco said:
El Pistolero said:
You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.
That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.
Nor did Valverde.
I don't need proofs, I'm not a prosecutor. Common sense leads to that "proofs". Nibali worked and is still working with Il dottore Michelle Ferrari. Gilbert rediscovered his 2009-2011 form when reunited with Ibarguren. And do you really think Boonen was only on cocaine?
And I'm not claiming Valverde is clean.
Valverde riding for a dirty team is way more suspicious than Boonen having one of the biggest dopers of the quintessential doping era as a personal mentor, didn't you know?
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.
ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere
 
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saganftw said:
Libertine Seguros said:
But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.
ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere
I thought the tone of the first post made it pretty self-evident that, whether or not anybody found it amusing, I was gently joshing Pisti with some self-aware humour mainly at the expense of my own bias, but clearly I overestimated.

But since Sagan's brand of humour is more along the Dude, Where's My Car? lines, perhaps that shouldn't surprise me.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
saganftw said:
Libertine Seguros said:
But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.
ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere
I thought the tone of the first post made it pretty self-evident that, whether or not anybody found it amusing, I was gently joshing Pisti with some self-aware humour mainly at the expense of my own bias, but clearly I overestimated.

But since Sagan's brand of humour is more along the Dude, Where's My Car? lines, perhaps that shouldn't surprise me.
That film is misunderstood. It's a very clever exploration of hedonism and epistomology, I won't hear a word against it.
 
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saganftw said:
Libertine Seguros said:
But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.
ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere
Thank you for saying this. LS, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts as you have a depth of knowledge rivalled by few others. Please don’t sink to the level of the trolls.
 
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red_flanders said:
Weird, I keep clicking on this thread to read about Sagan. Maybe next week.
This year he was arguably the worst he's been since Tinkoff criticised him after the spring of 2015. Let's wait until he wins the Amstel on sunday, then we'll have something new to talk about.
 
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Gung Ho Gun said:
red_flanders said:
Weird, I keep clicking on this thread to read about Sagan. Maybe next week.
This year he was arguably the worst he's been since Tinkoff criticised him after the spring of 2015. Let's wait until he wins the Amstel on sunday, then we'll have something new to talk about.
Have we been watching the same races? Won GW and Roubaix fairly convincely. He wasn’t quite his top form in still Flanders but still looked better than most aside from Terpstra.
 
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Durden93 said:
Thank you for saying this. LS, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts as you have a depth of knowledge rivalled by few others. Please don’t sink to the level of the trolls.
You mean like those many Sagan fans who set on all posts critical of their man like a Froome fan wandering unaware into the Clinic, until posters simply don't bother, and silence all negative opinions and who were attacking and mocking me in conversations about him that I hadn't even participated in? Maybe it's got better now and it's possible to hold a critical opinion without it being made to feel unwelcome (I've noticed the treatment of many posters whose positions were much less vitriolic than mine, before you ask), but since Sagan and the furore that surrounds him have become a huge dent in my enjoyment of the sport, I simply don't watch any race he's in and avoid the discussions at least on race days when emotions are riding high, to try to stop getting into arguments like I used to.

This thread is one of the few where a discourse which can be both supportive of, and critical of, Peter Sagan has been able to flourish, for better or for worse (and given some of the ridiculous stuff like the Gummi Bears, often for worse admittedly), and I thought self-deprecating humour was a good-natured way to steer the conversation back towards its intended subject without either personally attacking Pisti or Sagan himself. Unfortunately for me, it fell flat.
 
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LS mate, if the Sagan love here gets your pulse up this much, you'd go on a killing spree on a few other cycling forums.

I can't be sure of the exact words but over on reddit/peloton someone said something along the lines of....if Sagan stabbed a baby everyone there would applaud and claim the baby had it coming, or somesuch. It was an accurate description. The Sagan love over here may be over the top biased, but it's tame in comparison to other places
 
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GuyIncognito said:
LS mate, if the Sagan love here gets your pulse up this much, you'd go on a killing spree on a few other cycling forums.

I can't be sure of the exact words but over on reddit/peloton someone said something along the lines of....if Sagan stabbed a baby everyone there would applaud and claim the baby had it coming, or somesuch. It was an accurate description. The Sagan love over here may be over the top biased, but it's tame in comparison to other places
There's plenty of it in the proper media as well. He could inject himself with EPO in a press conference and half the journalists would rave about his needle technique.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Durden93 said:
Thank you for saying this. LS, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts as you have a depth of knowledge rivalled by few others. Please don’t sink to the level of the trolls.
You mean like those many Sagan fans who set on all posts critical of their man like a Froome fan wandering unaware into the Clinic, until posters simply don't bother, and silence all negative opinions and who were attacking and mocking me in conversations about him that I hadn't even participated in? Maybe it's got better now and it's possible to hold a critical opinion without it being made to feel unwelcome (I've noticed the treatment of many posters whose positions were much less vitriolic than mine, before you ask), but since Sagan and the furore that surrounds him have become a huge dent in my enjoyment of the sport, I simply don't watch any race he's in and avoid the discussions at least on race days when emotions are riding high, to try to stop getting into arguments like I used to.

This thread is one of the few where a discourse which can be both supportive of, and critical of, Peter Sagan has been able to flourish, for better or for worse (and given some of the ridiculous stuff like the Gummi Bears, often for worse admittedly), and I thought self-deprecating humour was a good-natured way to steer the conversation back towards its intended subject without either personally attacking Pisti or Sagan himself. Unfortunately for me, it fell flat.
It's funny how you are trying to ignore all the positive that Sagan has done for the sport and still view him as some rapist who committed the biggest sin when he pinched the podium girl.

Actually, it is not funny, it is sad that some real cycling fans could be so stubborn.

... and I don't believe it one bit that you do not watch any race with Sagan because, like most of us around here, you love cycling more than you are willing to admit.
 
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