Santambrogio tests positive for EPO

[neineinei]

How did Sky know Vini were doping?

They saw some neon yellow dudes running off with their good stuff.

 

[pastronef]

Why?
Sky is very freakie antidoping, specially Wiggo...
.

taxus, please, stop writing and begin reading all the clinic and road forum from jan 2013 at least.
I sometimes support team Sky because everyone is against them.
but please, don't write such statements on here it's surreal

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I have just read an interview to Santa of today.

He is bad, but it is really how he deserve to feel. He must pay not just as cyclist, but as person as well. It is the only way to change this, that he feel as the worst for the cycling world and the society...unless he apologize and try to help cycling in some way.

No apologize for the damage to cycling again. I cant say what I feel of that man, becouse it was deleted in other message.

He says cycling is his life...He was very.........to doing that choice.

He said he felt as a champion in the Giro, and now... Man, that the prize you must pay, and this is a message for all the riders that try to do the same: YOU WILL PAY.

I am sorry to be so hard, but must be like that, he has his friend to avoid his suicide, he didnt respect cycling world, and stil do it by dont apologize. He cant have my respect.

I know how he feels, I have feel like that sometimes, but he need apologize. it was his fault, just his fault, we have had long time when you can consider a lot of factors when a man dope, the environment, a lot of people did it, pressure, loft controls,...a lot of good and fair persons doped. But today is very stupid to dope, and more in that way that make him one of the best riders of the year.

I didnt mind if Wiggins or Froome suicide if one thay is proven that they dope just one day is their life. I am not goping to help that, but I would be very very hard. It would be very serious after his statements in the era we are. It would be much more serious than Santa. I know it is not the case, but just in case... and they know that now things are like that, we could excuse Lance, but we wont escuse things like that in the future. They have the choice today: dont dope. Today they are not escuses to say no.
Froome knows that is one day is proven he doped just once, his life will be a hell and he will want to die.

Andy for instance, has denied doping, but if tomorrow is proven that he doped in the past, it is not the same case, it was another time, and nobody talked about that, and feel they were doing the correct thing. I hope no, but I wouldnt be surprised

So what you're saying is, you WANT Mauro Santambrogio to feel suicidal, and all dopers to feel the same. That because he cheated in a sporting event, he deserves to be put into a position where death is the best way out.

They say we should attack the post, not the poster, but what can you do when the post reflects such attitudes on the part of the poster?

Want him to apologise, fine. Want him to never return to cycling, fine. Want him to get banned and get properly punished for what he's done, fine (do bear in mind that in effect his CV now says he was fired from his previous job for fraud). Want to never have to hear of him in the sport again, fine. Want him to suffer mental and psychological breakdown and/or die, not fine. Not fine at all.

 

[hrotha]

Again, he's a troll. Report and ignore.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I have just read an interview to Santa of today.

He is bad, but it is really how he deserve to feel. He must pay not just as cyclist, but as person as well. It is the only way to change this, that he feel as the worst for the cycling world and the society...unless he apologize and try to help cycling in some way.

No apologize for the damage to cycling again. I cant say what I feel of that man, becouse it was deleted in other message.

He says cycling is his life...He was very.........to doing that choice.

He said he felt as a champion in the Giro, and now... Man, that the prize you must pay, and this is a message for all the riders that try to do the same: YOU WILL PAY.

I am sorry to be so hard, but must be like that, he has his friend to avoid his suicide, he didnt respect cycling world, and stil do it by dont apologize. He cant have my respect.

I know how he feels, I have feel like that sometimes, but he need apologize. it was his fault, just his fault, we have had long time when you can consider a lot of factors when a man dope, the environment, a lot of people did it, pressure, loft controls,...a lot of good and fair persons doped. But today is very stupid to dope, and more in that way that make him one of the best riders of the year.

I didnt mind if Wiggins or Froome suicide if one thay is proven that they dope just one day is their life. I am not goping to help that, but I would be very very hard. It would be very serious after his statements in the era we are. It would be much more serious than Santa. I know it is not the case, but just in case... and they know that now things are like that, we could excuse Lance, but we wont escuse things like that in the future. They have the choice today: dont dope. Today they are not escuses to say no.
Froome knows that is one day is proven he doped just once, his life will be a hell and he will want to die.

Andy for instance, has denied doping, but if tomorrow is proven that he doped in the past, it is not the same case, it was another time, and nobody talked about that, and feel they were doing the correct thing. I hope no, but I wouldnt be surprised

You are a pretty sick person who lives in a dreamworld. Get some help.

 

[TheGame]

I didnt mind if Wiggins or Froome suicide if one thay is proven that they dope just one day is their life.

Is this guy for real? I really hope, that neither you, nor any of your family get struck down by mental illness, and if you do, I really hope people don't have the attitude towards you that you have towards them.

 

[del1962]

Is this guy for real? I really hope, that neither you, nor any of your family get struck down by mental illness, and if you do, I really hope people don't have the attitude towards you that you have towards them.

Agreed....

 

[the sceptic]

Hopefully he got permabanned this time

 

[MarkvW]

I bet Landis would give those millions for his marriage and his father in law, but sadly money cant buy anything back.

To not see the hard road Landis has been and come out with BS about money either shows an obession with money, a complete lack of understanding or both.

Landis suffered because of his own bad choices. I don't see how that makes him a victim.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

I don't see why Mauro doesn't meet up with Riccò and Di Luca and have
a few out of competition races. You might get some public turning up just to see how they are doing.

 

[del1962]

I don't see why Mauro doesn't meet up with Riccò and Di Luca and have
a few out of competition races. You might get some public turning up just to see how they are doing.

if he wants to ruin any chance of returning to pro-cycling,

 

[thehog]

Landis suffered because of his own bad choices. I don't see how that makes him a victim.

I think he suffered because sport he loved is the cesspit of doping as you describe.

Top to bottom.

It's a pity one cannot enjoy their sport without having to face that along with not being paid by teams.

And when one goes to their governing body to access the bankers guarantee they're told to "stick it" and "American behavior" is not welcome round here.

Charming work by the UCI. Forever looking out for the cyclist.

Just as well the UCI weren't getting rich off the paupers

 

[thehog]

Back on topic.

What's all this about?

Why so long?

Although immediately fired by his Vini Fantini-Selle Italia team, Santambrogio’s case remains in the balance, given that the UCI has yet to confirm the analysis of the B sample. In September, it was reported that the low levels of EPO in the A sample – believed to indicative of micro-dosing – were such that they might not be repeated in an analysis of the B sample, in which case Santambrogio would be cleared.

 

[Descender]

Is this guy for real? I really hope, that neither you, nor any of your family get struck down by mental illness, and if you do, I really hope people don't have the attitude towards you that you have towards them.

He is a forum hijacker. His one and only purpose is to ruffle feathers all around until he destroys all constructive discussion on an internet forum. He is a well-known character.



I seriously hope Santambrogio is ok.

 

[Eshnar]

More about Santambrogio and less (or better nothing) about users guys. Remember.

 

[Benotti69]

Landis suffered because of his own bad choices. I don't see how that makes him a victim.

I did not say he was a victim. But your take is wrong.

For me that Landis was the keystone to the 'reasoned decision' is enough to give some accolades. For doping he got more than was deserved and I am suspicious of Armstrong's part in that. But does he deserves millions from the qui tam case? Yep he does.


Santambrogio is fortunate to have so many looking out for him. I hope he is able to move forward away from cycling and find a life where cheating is not the norm.

 

[thehog]

I did not say he was a victim. But your take is wrong.

For me that Landis was the keystone to the 'reasoned decision' is enough to give some accolades. For doping he got more than was deserved and I am suspicious of Armstrong's part in that. But does he deserves millions from the qui tam case? Yep he does.


Santambrogio is fortunate to have so many looking out for him. I hope he is able to move forward away from cycling and find a life where cheating is not the norm.

I would add Cipolinni to this. When Ricco had gone off the edge he gave him a bike and some part time work. Got him riding again. Ricco had put on 20kg and had a young child to support. Now in a much better place. Riding the fondo scene which doesn't have the mafia roots like pro-cycling does.

This is what I found most shocking about the Wiggins comments re: landis.

What he was saying was "shut your mouth, don't say anything and we might let you back in".

Add I would agree re: the positive test on landis, Armstrong & Verbruggen have their fingerprints all over that. But that's another story.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I did not say he was a victim. But your take is wrong.

For me that Landis was the keystone to the 'reasoned decision' is enough to give some accolades. For doping he got more than was deserved and I am suspicious of Armstrong's part in that. But does he deserves millions from the qui tam case? Yep he does.

Whaaaatttt!!!!!

What about Decanio? Crazy? Sure. Poor execution? Absolutely. Landis is another example of being at the right place, at the right time, with the right combination making a huge difference. Maybe Landis should throw Decanio a six-figure tip for kicking it off.

Like another post, hopefully, Santabrogio can leave cycling behind and 10 years from now do a "WTF is wrong with cycling!!??" interview from a happier life.

 

[ElChingon]

I would add Cipolinni to this. When Ricco had gone off the edge he gave him a bike and some part time work. Got him riding again. Ricco had put on 20kg and had a young child to support. Now in a much better place. Riding the fondo scene which doesn't have the mafia roots like pro-cycling does.

That was true Omerta working the way it should or is supposed to work. Santambrogio doesn't seem to be in it (omerta) or it has fallen back a a bit. This new generation might not be as well covered.

 

[Cycle Chic]

That was true Omerta working the way it should or is supposed to work. Santambrogio doesn't seem to be in it (omerta) or it has fallen back a a bit. This new generation might not be as well covered.

yeh - its as if the riders that mess up and get caught, are ostracised for being so stupid. No friends with a positive.

 

[thehog]

That was true Omerta working the way it should or is supposed to work. Santambrogio doesn't seem to be in it (omerta) or it has fallen back a a bit. This new generation might not be as well covered.

We're still guilty of shutting down why these guys dope.

No one wants hear from Ullrich & Armstrong.

And no one wants to hear from Santa or Ricco.

I for one would be very interested to want to know why Santa doped - are the speeds too high? Does he feel everyone else was doing it etc. why? Not - shut your mouth.

I hope Cookson is genuine about T&R. I want to hear what Lance says and Ullrich.

And are these the same pressure Santa & Ricco felt.

Until we hear here their reasons we'll never get to the bottom of it...

 

[rhubroma]

Particularly the comments at the bottom of the page are insightful in gauging the mood of the tifosi.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/11-10-2013/ciclismo-santambrogio-si-una-notte-incubo-ho-pensato-peggio-201341542318.shtml

 

[Race Radio]

Note that Santambrogio and yet to be given his official sanction, even though he tested positive 8 months ago. This is because he has been working with the UCI and CONI telling them what he knows in exchange for a reduced sanction. He could be racing later this year.

Think BMC is concerned?

 

[martinvickers]

Note that Santambrogio and yet to be given his official sanction, even though he tested positive 8 months ago. This is because he has been working with the UCI and CONI telling them what he knows in exchange for a reduced sanction. He could be racing later this year.

Think BMC is concerned?

Personally very glad to hear MS doing this. good on him. I'm for life bans on principle, but if he really gives all the info, he ought to get the reductions allowed. More to the point, as a human being, it'll do him good in the long term if he lifts the veil.

 

[Digger]

I love that clip of Santambrogio being passed out like a Junior at Tirreno Adriatico by Froome.
Froome had a tailwind though - Santambrogio just had EPO.