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I’d say it’s closer to one a GT bar 2020 Tour and 2021 Vuelta.Judging that by rider type makes no sense. In all their GTs together, there's been a whole 2 stages where Kuss was legit stronger than Roglic
I’d say it’s closer to one a GT bar 2020 Tour and 2021 Vuelta.Judging that by rider type makes no sense. In all their GTs together, there's been a whole 2 stages where Kuss was legit stronger than Roglic
Enric Mas: Jumbo-Visma aren't going to attack each other in this Vuelta a España"If it was me, I'd be happy seeing how my usual last man in the mountain stages [Kuss – Ed.] can win the Vuelta. And I think inside the team they'd be delighted with the chance of winning a Grand Tour with three different riders."
Didn't Schleck and Contador do a whole lot of dicking around in that one?
"Historically" Sepp has been the set up man for Roglic on many of those climbs so not much surprise that he is faster up them.We are supposed to neglect that 1) Historically Roglic has nearly always climbed better than Kuss, that's why Kuss is the domestique in the first place, 2) Roglic did the faster climb on literally every mountain stage prior to the Tourmalet and 3) when you wanna go somewhere the fastest way isn't to go zone 2 for 50 minutes before sprinting the final 200m.
Jumbo's plan was to move Jonas up from 7th, gain a little more cushion for Kuss and then the same for Roglic. Weaker? Stronger? They all accomplished their individual and team goals.Red Rick even said Roglic didn't look good at all etc. after the stage. Seems he has flipped the switch and forgot what he witnessed initially and went full fanboy again.
Race to the top, with the way they have ridden the stage and Sepptimus Prime looking this good, and yes, Roglic was the weakest of the trident. That's extremely easy to reject based on what you wanna see though, but its what the majority of the people who followed the race saw.
Historically Sepp has been the set up man for Jonas. When Rogla leads, that was when we got the worst of the group rides and Rogla sprinting off after 15 riders all went at George Bennett's or Tiesj Benoot's tempo while Sepp sat in the group looking scary but not actually doing anything."Historically" Sepp has been the set up man for Roglic on many of those climbs so not much surprise that he is faster up them.
Yes. Race dynamics was totally different then. In 2010 they also went through the old road, which climbs in 4.3km what the new one does in 4.8km. That's why the comparison is limited to the last 4.06km, which is the distance to the summit from the place where the two roads join. Schleck and Contador opened the gap on everyone else before and attacked each other in that middle section. By the time they got to the final kms they knew they couldn't gap each other and the chasers wouldn't catch them.Didn't Schleck and Contador do a whole lot of dicking around in that one?
No they didn't. Only one went all out, the other was pissed off by him, and the 3rd one didn't exactly know what was happening.Yeah, and Jumbo did the right thing today. One of their men shall win the GC. All three went „all in“ at the final climb today, that‘s how it should be.
If they play waiting games, suddenly Ayuso or Mas win the Vuelta. That’s dangerous.
Tomorrow will tell us more, plus Thursday.
you did watch the race and hear Jumbo Visma's own agenda as you seem to be pulling things out of pure air.No they didn't. Only one went all out, the other was pissed off by him, and the 3rd one didn't exactly know what was happening.
Tomorrow will be all out from all three.
No ***. He won a stage for a friend you say, and he gained time at the expense of his two better placed teammates for who? For a friend again, or maybe for himself.you did watch the race and hear Jumbo Visma's own agenda as you seem to be pulling things out of pure air..
If I wasn't for Jonas, they would gotten nothing today, after all that work to pull the breakaway in to win the stage and to honor their teammate with the win' who got a heart attack, crash, and was in a coma after being revived.
All that passes you by?
you do understand why Jumbo Visma spends all its energy to get the breakaway back.??
If it wasnt for Vingegaard that yet again, followed hos teams plan for the day, and delivered the win, it would have been UAE that won.
Jonas is just lucky that every day something happens so he can attack both teamates and win stages. One day it's a birthday, second day an accident,... pathetic. Just admit you want it all for yourself and you don't care about anyone. I'm sure Sepp/Rog love your wins since they are not allowed to race.No ***. He won a stage for a friend you say, and he gained time at the expense of his two better placed teammates for who? For a friend again, or maybe for himself.
He wants to win Vuelta, and he wants to win it dirty, screwing over his teammates. Maybe he wants to win it for them...
why did the team use all their power to get the breakaway back.. Kuss, Roglic, Vingegaard incl everybody chew in.. ..why did they do that.. could it be as Jumbo Visma explained - simply to get a stagewin for their loved teammate who was in a coma after being reived.?No ***. He won a stage for a friend you say, and he gained time at the expense of his two better placed teammates for who? For a friend again, or maybe for himself.
He wants to win Vuelta, and he wants to win it dirty, screwing over his teammates. Maybe he wants to win it for them...
They did it for Roglič to win the stage but Jonas decided on his own to attack earlier. Kuss confirmed this. *** move.why did the team use all their power to get the breakaway back.. Kuss, Roglic, Vingegaard incl everybody chew in.. ..why did they do that.. could it be as Jumbo Visma explained - simply to get a stagewin for their loved teammate who was in a coma after being reived.?
So to follow your logic, it would have been better for Jumbo Visma to see UAE win the stage, after all that work.. which is what would have happened if you took out Vingegaard.. UAE came in second at 43sec. after.
what an honor to Nathan.. a lot of work for nothing. tsk tsk.
They bring the break back cause it was their plan to go for a stage win.why did the team use all their power to get the breakaway back.. Kuss, Roglic, Vingegaard incl everybody chew in.. wshy did they do that.. could it be as they explained to get a win for their loved teammate who was in a coma after being reived.?
so to follow your logic, it would have been better for Jumbo Visma to see UAE win the stage, after all that work.. which is what would have happened if you took out Vingegaard.. UAE came in second at 43sec. after.
what an honor to Nathan.. a lot of work for nothing. tsk tsk.
Can't you see how stupid that sounds? dont you have common sense to clear such nonsense or are you making i up at will.They did it for Roglič to win the stage but Jonas decided on his own to attack earlier. Kuss confirmed this. *** move.
Maybe you should use common sense and not preach it to others. JV made a plan for today to go for the stage win with Roglič. They made that plan today knowing everything there is to know about their riders. When everything went great on the last hill and according to plan, Jonas says *** it and goes on attack against...his own team mate in red and co captain that was supposed to attack later on.Can't you see how stupid that sounds? dont you have common sense to clear such nonsense or are you making i up at will.
The team that got two Vuelta captains.. with the world's best Grand Tour rider, that is a superb number 1 on the world ranking list and who accelerates in the third week.
That the Jumbo Visma team from the getgo should have decided, It is only Roglic that is allowed for the stage-win and if he doesn't feel great then its another team that should win, - and to hell with all our teamwork to honor Nathan with a win, and our other Vuelta captain, who is double TdF winner' who seems even stronger, simply aint allowed to go for the stage win - after we as a team have set all sails in to get a stage win for Jonas closest compadre on the team and spend all that work to get the breakaway back.
Maybe use common sense.
