Sergio Henao

[thehog]

Appears there was never actually a Heano report ever commissioned. Someone is lying.

sure?

There is no Heano report, never was, just spin by Brailsford/Sky to circumvent the passport.

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sorrdy! hoggy ...readidddng CN article i'm even morse consfused...nso csosnclusion seems

to be reasched....how do you knosw there is no report?

Mark L

For there to be an actual report, it needs to be released. Is that difficult to understand?

Sky states its not their responsibility, the university won't speak.

Therefore no report, just an open case into Heano blood values by the CADF. I think even you can understand this, yes?

 

[thehog]

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thanks! however conclusion you come to differs from CN report

Mark L

Good grief, do you read?

Team Sky in order to seek clarity over the situation. The team have stated since 2014 that the responsibility to publish the report on Henao always lay with the medical team involved in conducting the tests, and not the team. They repeated that stance, telling Cyclingnews, “It is they who will be responsible for the timelines of publication.

The independent report was led by Dr Eddie Hampton but he was not available for comment when Cyclingnews contacted his office last week. When contacted this week, Hampton’s secretary would only say that contact should be made with Team Sky, rather than Hampton, and that he had nothing more to add on the matter.

There is no report and no comment. Hampton says contact Sky, Sky say speak to Hampton.

Understand now?


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sergio-henaos-independent-blood-profile-review-remains-unpublished/

 

[thehog]

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i read 'report may be used for biological passport defence etc.....'

Mark L

This is just trolling. There is no where in the CN report that it states the report will be used as a biological passport defense. Why are you making things up?

All it says back in 2014 that the "possible" report;

Two years have passed since Henao’s blood data first prompted action from his own team and the results and findings from the initial report appear no closer to being made public. It’s understood that they could be used in a possible defence should the situation result in a passport violation.

However, there is no report. Period.

 

[thehog]

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'Two years have passed since Henao’s blood data first prompted action from his own team and the results and findings from the initial report appear no closer to being made public. It’s understood that they could be used in a possible defence should the situation result in a passport violation.'

Mark L

Yes that is what Sky said they might do back in 2014 not 2016. Sky deny the report now as does Hampton.

Present tense as distinct from past tense.

Seriously?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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i read 'report may be used for biological passport defence etc.....'

Mark L

I found nothing in the Cycling News article that mentioned the passport defense.

My take on the article is someone is stalling or just plain ole blocking. Typical behavior when someone does not want to look responsible for not releasing something is to blame the other party. Only to have them send it back to the original with a statement like it is not up to me it is up to them.

I have no idea if there really is a report but it seems there should be because they supposedly used the results to send him back into racing. Maybe they just want to keep it a secret?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

I guess we can expect the same non-report on Froome's numbers too.

 

[thehog]

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thank you glenn that is a more realistic response than saying there is no report....

we don't know ...the report may not have shown what was hoped?

Mark L

There can't be a report until its released or sent to an official body, otherwise its just "tests" with some results. Simple.

The sense is you are deliberately trying to be obtuse. Which is not surprising. You're now backtracking that a report will be used in a passport defense?

 

[yespatterns]

Hog's right, until release there is no report. It seems like maybe the heart of the argument is over data. Just saying.

 

[carolina]

what I don't understand is this part:

Hampton did go on the record last year, telling CyclingTips that, “the research around this case has been taken very seriously and we undertook a large amount of complex scientific analysis before giving our recommendation for Sergio to be allowed to return to racing.

the recommendation was given to whom?

 

[thehog]

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what I don't understand is this part:

Hampton did go on the record last year, telling CyclingTips that, “the research around this case has been taken very seriously and we undertook a large amount of complex scientific analysis before giving our recommendation for Sergio to be allowed to return to racing.

the recommendation was given to whom?

I think that's the problem. No one appears to understand what actually occurred and who gave the recommendation to return to racing.

At a guess Sky used the supposed tests as a way to jump through a potential passport issue for it to later bite them on the ass. I sense the university is none to happy about being used in the charade by their current "no comment" stance.

 

[carolina]

that makes sense.

this is all very confusing, which is probably what sky wants. thanks

 

[samhocking]

As far as we know. Henao's blood was taken for 10 weeks while at altitude by Sheffield Uni. This blood was then sent to a WADA lab to be analysed and the results from the lab studied by Sheffield Uni so they could inform Sky if Henao should be allowed to return to racing, or we assume sack him. This is all Sky used from the Uni report. It was internal to Sky in so much as UCI/CADF hadn't detected the anomalies in his passport, Sky had noticed the anomalies in his passport 3 months after CADF publish all riders blood passport data back to the teams. The full report from Sheffield Uni will likely take years. Not unusual as anyone who's worked in academia would agree with.

 

[thehog]

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As far as we know. Henao's blood was taken for 10 weeks while at altitude by Sheffield Uni. This blood was then sent to a WADA lab to be analysed and the results from the lab studied by Sheffield Uni so they could inform Sky if Henao should be allowed to return to racing, or we assume sack him. This is all Sky used from the Uni report. It was internal to Sky in so much as UCI/CADF hadn't detected the anomalies in his passport, Sky had noticed the anomalies in his passport 3 months after CADF publish all riders blood passport data back to the teams. The full report from Sheffield Uni will likely take years. Not unusual as anyone who's worked in academia would agree with.

Yes I'm sure it will take years My doctor just returned by blood results taken a week ago at the same time I finished my masters study and thesis in under a year.

You really do like to make things up don't you?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Question:

Was Sergio renewed between the "study" and now ? I assume so, but cannot find confirmation.

 

[samhocking]

As far as we know. Henao's blood was taken for 10 weeks while at altitude by Sheffield Uni. This blood was then sent to a WADA lab to be analysed and the results from the lab studied by Sheffield Uni so they could inform Sky if Henao should be allowed to return to racing, or we assume sack him. This is all Sky used from the Uni report. It was internal to Sky in so much as UCI/CADF hadn't detected the anomalies in his passport, Sky had noticed the anomalies in his passport 3 months after CADF publish all riders blood passport data back to the teams. The full report from Sheffield Uni will likely take years. Not unusual as anyone who's worked in academia would agree with.

Yes I'm sure it will take years My doctor just returned by blood results taken a week ago at the same time I finished my masters study and thesis in under a year.

You really do like to make things up don't you?

The report isn't the results of blood tests though. UCI already has those in Henao's passport and rightly so, riders passports are not open to the public.

The report will be the findings of studying altitude natives living at altitude and what that might mean for WADA's biological passport analysis when blood is taken from them out of competition.

 

[liamito]

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Question:

Was Sergio renewed between the "study" and now ? I assume so, but cannot find confirmation.

No, last renewal was summer 2013.
https://twitter.com/PARbelaezR/status/341688562066022401

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Question:

Was Sergio renewed between the "study" and now ? I assume so, but cannot find confirmation.

No, last renewal was summer 2013.
https://twitter.com/PARbelaezR/status/341688562066022401

Thanks

 

[carolina]

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The report isn't the results of blood tests though. UCI already has those in Henao's passport and rightly so, riders passports are not open to the public.

The report will be the findings of studying altitude natives living at altitude and what that might mean for WADA's biological passport analysis when blood is taken from them out of competition.

And how many altitude natives are they studying? It seems to be only henao, so there is really no reason for it to take so much time.

This is also another problem with the study. They can't take any conclusions by analysing only one person.

 

[thehog]

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As far as we know. Henao's blood was taken for 10 weeks while at altitude by Sheffield Uni. This blood was then sent to a WADA lab to be analysed and the results from the lab studied by Sheffield Uni so they could inform Sky if Henao should be allowed to return to racing, or we assume sack him. This is all Sky used from the Uni report. It was internal to Sky in so much as UCI/CADF hadn't detected the anomalies in his passport, Sky had noticed the anomalies in his passport 3 months after CADF publish all riders blood passport data back to the teams. The full report from Sheffield Uni will likely take years. Not unusual as anyone who's worked in academia would agree with.

Yes I'm sure it will take years My doctor just returned by blood results taken a week ago at the same time I finished my masters study and thesis in under a year.

You really do like to make things up don't you?

The report isn't the results of blood tests though. UCI already has those in Henao's passport and rightly so, riders passports are not open to the public.

The report will be the findings of studying altitude natives living at altitude and what that might mean for WADA's biological passport analysis when blood is taken from them out of competition.

WADA doesn't have a biological passport, it defines the guidelines. Its the UCI's passport governed by the CADF. Whether samples are taken in or out of competition is irrelevant in this context.

 

[samhocking]

OK, the guidelines to WADA's biological passport analysis then. What's your point? You're either asking for the report or you're asking for the blood results the report is based on, or what? The report is about testing alititude natives at altitude and how that affects blood values- always has been.

 

[thehog]

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OK, the guidelines to WADA's biological passport analysis then. What's your point? You're either asking for the report or you're asking for the blood results the report is based on, or what? The report is about testing alititude natives at altitude and how that affects blood values- always has been.

What am I asking for? What you should be asking for... "transparency".

To your first point; altitude "natives" assumes plural, i.e. more than one. This is only an apparent "native" study as in just Heano. More to the point its another Brialsford cover up.

There is no report, no announcements, nothing. Each party is pointing the finger at each other. Sky at Hampton, Hampton and Sky. This is going nowhere and there will never be a report, ever.

Its a Brailsford special of deflection; he makes an announcement which deflect away from questions then never follows up, its happened time and time again; Heano, hacking, Manchester Leinders investigation etc.

 

[samhocking]

What are they covering up?
Sky found the anomalies in Henao's very first out of competition blood result taken at altitude which this report you so desperately seek all stems from. Before 2013 there was no altitude testing in Columbia - ever! If you think it's all a cover-up why are they covering up something nobody other than themselves have brought out into the open by pulling Henao out of competition and sending him back to Columbia for 10 weeks?

When UCI have finished analysing riders passports, the riders passport data is passed onto the teams. Usually about 3 months. This lines up with the dates Sky announced Henao's unusual values. Surely it would have been easier to just make up an illness if they just didn't want Henao to ride those 10 weeks than go to Sheffield Uni, announce to the World his values look odd, pull him from competition themselves etc.

 

[Irondan]

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What are they covering up?
Sky found the anomalies in Henao's very first out of competition blood result taken at altitude which this report you so desperately seek all stems from. Before 2013 there was no altitude testing in Columbia - ever! If you think it's all a cover-up why are they covering up something nobody other than themselves have brought out into the open by pulling Henao out of competition and sending him back to Columbia for 10 weeks?

When UCI have finished analysing riders passports, the riders passport data is passed onto the teams. Usually about 3 months. This lines up with the dates Sky announced Henao's unusual values. Surely it would have been easier to just make up an illness if they just didn't want Henao to ride those 10 weeks than go to Sheffield Uni, announce to the World his values look odd, pull him from competition themselves etc.

He's not desprately seeking a report, he's saying there is no report.

Daniel Benson seems to agree.
https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/725362638100783105

 

[samhocking]

So why did Sky need to make up a report about a rider they didn't need to take out of competition and UCI had already analysed the blood test from and not detected any issues. Remember, there was only one out of competition blood test taken by CADF on Henao's passport naybe two, I can't remember, but noth out of competition and in the winter when he was at home. If the UCI didn't open a case based on that OOC test result in his passport, why did Sky feel the need to go to all this hassle when Henao was clear to race anyway? Surely keeping quiet knowing UCI have already looked at his passport data is enough? The logic, just doesn't add up.

As for the report existing or not, nobody knows. All you have is a statement from Sheffield Uni a year ago and a no-comment now because Henao's passport is now a UCI investigation, so of course Sheffield Uni won't comment, they're not allowed to with an open case like this, just like Sky won't be able to either until the case is closed.

 

[Rollthedice]

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What are they covering up?
Sky found the anomalies in Henao's very first out of competition blood result taken at altitude which this report you so desperately seek all stems from. Before 2013 there was no altitude testing in Columbia - ever! If you think it's all a cover-up why are they covering up something nobody other than themselves have brought out into the open by pulling Henao out of competition and sending him back to Columbia for 10 weeks?

When UCI have finished analysing riders passports, the riders passport data is passed onto the teams. Usually about 3 months. This lines up with the dates Sky announced Henao's unusual values. Surely it would have been easier to just make up an illness if they just didn't want Henao to ride those 10 weeks than go to Sheffield Uni, announce to the World his values look odd, pull him from competition themselves etc.

Since we are used to Sky lying and hiding behind smokescreens it is entirely possible that, being a protected team they received a tip about Henao's blood values and therefore they pulled him out of competitions saying they found it out. The study is nonexistent, it was a smokescreen, they put him back as if nothing happens. This year somebody who has no clue that Sky has a preferential treatment founds Henao's passport which has to look disastrous if they decided to act.