Sergio Henao

[rick james]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

Maybe, just maybe Henao is telling the truth..can you grasp that?

 

[Spawn of e]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

Maybe, just maybe Henao is telling the truth..can you grasp that?

Maybe Henao is a physiological super freak.

 

[Stingray34]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

It's fairly hard to trip tripwire or more to the point there are a million legitimate* excuses that can exonerate you before it goes any further. Going up and down from altitude is your safest bet to stay wide of the passport. I'll say Heano will get cleared by his federation, the only question is whether the UCI will appeal that decision.

The altitude native "crap" is just that, it has no bearing on a passport case, it's just a Brailsford delaying tactic, which put some distance between JTL and present day.

Brailsford's shimmy says it all;

The physiology of ‘altitude natives’ is a complex area,” Brailsford added.

* I don't meant that a truthful just accepted by CADF.

You're my buddy, so I believe you. I imagine Brailsford has a limit on his defence: Henao hasn't won anything, so I can see him being cut adrift.

In hindsight, Henao's been tested since Moses was an infant. The parameters should be there. New 'information' and data can't be that ground-breaking.

 

[Irondan]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

It's fairly hard to trip tripwire or more to the point there are a million legitimate* excuses that can exonerate you before it goes any further. Going up and down from altitude is your safest bet to stay wide of the passport. I'll say Heano will get cleared by his federation, the only question is whether the UCI will appeal that decision.

The altitude native "crap" is just that, it has no bearing on a passport case, it's just a Brailsford delaying tactic, which put some distance between JTL and present day.

Brailsford's shimmy says it all;

The physiology of ‘altitude natives’ is a complex area,” Brailsford added.

* I don't meant that a truthful just accepted by CADF.

You're my buddy, so I believe you. I imagine Brailsford has a limit on his defence: Henao hasn't won anything, so I can see him being cut adrift.

But he's been just about, if not the strongest climber in the world so far this spring.

He may not have won, but look who he got beat by. Not exactly chopped liver.

Dave Brailsford will go to bat until it looks like he'll lose, if that happens the Sky PR machine will be out in full swing, distancing itself from Henao.

 

[Stingray34]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

It's fairly hard to trip tripwire or more to the point there are a million legitimate* excuses that can exonerate you before it goes any further. Going up and down from altitude is your safest bet to stay wide of the passport. I'll say Heano will get cleared by his federation, the only question is whether the UCI will appeal that decision.

The altitude native "crap" is just that, it has no bearing on a passport case, it's just a Brailsford delaying tactic, which put some distance between JTL and present day.

Brailsford's shimmy says it all;

The physiology of ‘altitude natives’ is a complex area,” Brailsford added.

* I don't meant that a truthful just accepted by CADF.

You're my buddy, so I believe you. I imagine Brailsford has a limit on his defence: Henao hasn't won anything, so I can see him being cut adrift.

But he's been just about, if not the strongest climber in the world so far this spring.

He may not have won, but look who he got beat by. Not exactly chopped liver.

Dave Brailsford will go to bat until it looks like he'll lose, if that happens the Sky PR machine will be out in full swing, distancing itself from Henao.

We need a 'like' feature - to save page space at the very least. 100% agree.

 

[Irondan]

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But he's been just about, if not the strongest climber in the world so far this spring.

He may not have won, but look who he got beat by. Not exactly chopped liver.

Dave Brailsford will go to bat until it looks like he'll lose, if that happens the Sky PR machine will be out in full swing, distancing itself from Henao.

We need a 'like' feature - to save page space at the very least. 100% agree.

I agree. That would make things so mush easier sometimes..

 

[Catwhoorg]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

Well technically he wasn't formally investigated last time. It was SKY internal testing and they pointed CADF to it, who did nothing at that time.

 

[Stingray34]

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But he's been just about, if not the strongest climber in the world so far this spring.

He may not have won, but look who he got beat by. Not exactly chopped liver.

Dave Brailsford will go to bat until it looks like he'll lose, if that happens the Sky PR machine will be out in full swing, distancing itself from Henao.

We need a 'like' feature - to save page space at the very least. 100% agree.

I agree. That would make things so mush easier sometimes..

When the new site and forums' pages came about I was like 'ughh', but like all the other web pages I got used to it and really liked it - we can do it! In the next update, maybe.

 

[Ricco']

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

Well technically he wasn't formally investigated last time. It was SKY internal testing and they pointed CADF to it, who did nothing at that time.

But this case is about that date.

We all know how slow the anti-doping is.

And as far as I know he could still be racing, it was his team who chose to sideline him. We don't know if this letters aren't sent usually to all guys for them to explain their values.

Sergio is one of the most distanced Sky riders from the public in the social media (the lack of twitter or facebook might help) and I see that the typical Sky fan don't care much about him so I think that Sky isn't much bothered to sideline one of their tier 2 riders who usually is leader only on races that Sky don't care to send the big names to make a stance that the team is doing all that they can to be clean.

 

[yespatterns]

It could be he was thrown to the wolves by a caught doper in an attempt to lessen punishment, and is now firmly on UCI's radar. Or maybe he's an outlier and professor x will swope in and save our mutant friend from persecution? The mind reels.

 

[thehog]

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It could be he was thrown to the wolves by a caught doper in an attempt to lessen punishment, and is now firmly on UCI's radar. Or maybe he's an outlier and professor x will swope in and save our mutant friend from persecution? The mind reels.

The statements by Brailsford is like Hayles all over again. Specialist studies that no one gets to see on why one of his riders was flying too close the sun....

"We've got a body of evidence from the four weeks of blood testing we did on Rob Hayles after the anomaly in his haematocrit test," said Brailsford. "We're adding the final touches to the analysis but I think the information is very compelling and I have total confidence the UCI will give it the thought it warrants."

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/may/07/cycling

 

[kwikki]

Nothing will happen with this. Nothing. Just think how much more exposure Katusha and Astana had.

And what has happened to them? A big fat N.

 

[zigmeister]

^I disagree, I see Jonathan Locke all over again. Seems like when they open a case like this, it is the onus of the accused, and guilty, until your prove yourself innocent CADF takes. Hence, here comes a suspension because if they don't believe what you are telling them, then they just throw you out of cycling, nothing more required than the BP...which is garbage itself.

 

[blackcat]

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^I disagree, I see Jonathan Locke all over again. Seems like when they open a case like this, it is the onus of the accused, and guilty, until your prove yourself innocent CADF takes. Hence, here comes a suspension because if they don't believe what you are telling them, then they just throw you out of cycling, nothing more required than the BP...which is garbage itself.

you can drop him from Sky, GreenEdge will pick him up on the cheap. We have a nascent inchoate muscular christianity gordonstoun program underway, we need the guy who learnt the marginal gains from the professionals.

 

[zigmeister]

What I don't understand regarding the WADA/CADFUCI and their approach to the BP process is, once a guys numbers start to come back "suspicious", according to their tinfoil hat experts; then why don't they start doing more targeted tested/surprise testing of that athlete and try to get a stone cold bust of something in their system?

The whole BP process, then getting CADF involved to assume guilt, without anything more than a few anomalies, is a bit odd. Having a urine/blood test popping somebody is 100% tight.

But, CADF, as we know with Jonathan Tierne, is going to suspend Henao, whether he has some story or not....guilty until you prove your innocence. Kind of backward from the rest of the judicial process and World in civilized normal countries.

 

[JRanton]

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Nothing will happen with this. Nothing. Just think how much more exposure Katusha and Astana had.

And what has happened to them? A big fat N.

The UCI has to follow rules and that was the issue with suspending Katusha and Astana. In fact they tried with Katusha and CAS ruled in Katusha's favour.

 

[JRanton]

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^I disagree, I see Jonathan Locke all over again. Seems like when they open a case like this, it is the onus of the accused, and guilty, until your prove yourself innocent CADF takes. Hence, here comes a suspension because if they don't believe what you are telling them, then they just throw you out of cycling, nothing more required than the BP...which is garbage itself.

Kreuziger was cleared by his Czech friends and eventually WADA and the UCI gave up the ghost. The best thing for Henao to do is get in touch with the Colombian authorities. I think he'll be cleared given that he has the backing of Sky and the Colombians.

Having said that it really all depends on just how bad his values look (JTL's were off the richter scale).

 

[yaco]

Biological passport is still hit and miss as evidenced by Kreuziger and others proving their innocence. I have little faith in anti-doping authorities.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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What I don't understand regarding the WADA/CADFUCI and their approach to the BP process is, once a guys numbers start to come back "suspicious", according to their tinfoil hat experts; then why don't they start doing more targeted tested/surprise testing of that athlete and try to get a stone cold bust of something in their system?

The whole BP process, then getting CADF involved to assume guilt, without anything more than a few anomalies, is a bit odd. Having a urine/blood test popping somebody is 100% tight.

But, CADF, as we know with Jonathan Tierne, is going to suspend Henao, whether he has some story or not....guilty until you prove your innocence. Kind of backward from the rest of the judicial process and World in civilized normal countries.

That is how the WADA system works. It comes down to being publicly frogmarched to a kangaroo court where you need to prove your innocence in front of USADA's pet arbs with the prosecution allowed to define the rules of adjudication to put the accused at the most disadvantage possible. USADA recently banned a triathlete for using a contaminated supplement. USADA accepted the supplement was contaminated. She still got six months. Even when USADA accepts that you are innocent, you are guilty.

Supposedly the ABP is used for targeted testing, but there is no test for autologous transfusions and riders using careful timing and dosages for injection of the typical drugs used will not test positive.

The ABP was sold on the premise that it would be longitudinal testing and values outside an established profile would be the sign that doping was being employed. The truth is the range of normal variation is large enough to allow a very significant amount of doping to take place without being anomalous. Samples are taken infrequently so there is not enough data for most riders to form a trend. The result is that most ABP cases come down to an extreme anomaly, usually in conjunction with an important race. Cases are opened years after the anomaly, leaving the athlete with no memory or access to proof of what was going on healthwise at that time.

The JTL case is particularly enlightening of the process because the arbs decided that no pro athlete would binge drink on the eve of an important event. After being banned, JTL was caught drunk driving. Maybe, just possibly, he has a drinking problem. Or maybe he should have gotten his ABP hearing arbs to decide his drunk driving case; it would have saved him a driving license suspension.

 

[samhocking]

It just seems too much of a coincidence that out of competition blood testing on high altitude natives only started in Columbia in winter 2013 and in 2014 and then two out-of-competition tests carried out during the winter off-season by CADF sparked concerns within Henao's BP internally at Sky. Now, a year later, an out-of-competition test by CADF again (also in the winter off-season when Henao's been at home several weeks at altitude) has sparked the same anomalies all over again, but not picked up by Sky this time? Nobody knows for sure, but I think there's more to this than just doping or not doping. Why is Henao's blood values an issue and nobody elses. It's either personal doping down to Henao, in which case why is Sky backing him up so much, or it's personal to Sky, in which case, why can't they keep Henao under their own or even UCI's radar each spring for two years running now like they do with all their other riders?

 

[samhocking]

I would add also, it's important to accusations that CADFs expert panel don't know who's Blood Passport they are reviewing. The name is only linked to the BP after their experts agreeing it requires further investigation and if and only if CADF agree the data is still suspicious, will the case be passed to UCI tribunal.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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I would add also, it's important to accusations that CADFs expert panel don't know who's Blood Passport they are reviewing. The name is only linked to the BP after their experts agreeing it requires further investigation and if and only if CADF agree the data is still suspicious, will the case be passed to UCI tribunal.

Except in the case of Armstrong and USADA where USADA chose its own expert, one who had testified against LA in previous court proceedings; had him view blood values totally outside of the ABP process, which had not flagged the values as anomalous; and, knowing the values were LA's, declare him guilty without the request for explanation nor the agreement of multiple experts the ABP process requires before opening a case. Let's hope the Colombians have not been getting their due process training from Travis Tygart.

 

[bigcog]

Fair play to the bloke from coming back after a shattered kneecap, you are lucky enough to be walking ok after that let alone coming back as pro cyclist. Whether he's doped or not I don't know.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

Maybe, just maybe Henao is telling the truth..can you grasp that?

I think we all agree Henao is telling the truth.
After all, he hasn't said he didn't dope, he's only said that he's worked very hard for what he's achieved.

 

[vedrafjord]

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The whole BP process, then getting CADF involved to assume guilt, without anything more than a few anomalies, is a bit odd. Having a urine/blood test popping somebody is 100% tight.

Because microdosing/exotic untestable Chinese EPO analogues/whereabouts shenanigans etc. The whole reason the passport was introduced was because it was so hard to catch someone red-handed.