Sergio Henao

[King Boonen]

I wonder if they'll promise more research that doesn't materialise...

 

[The Hitch]

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Putting some pressure on Sky with a relatively old and known case? Why?

choosing henao is actually worst then any other rider. he already had problems and sky defended him at the time with a made up excuse. if he is found guilty, how can brailsford use the classic "we had nothing to do with this. the rider did this on his own"?

He won't.

Worst comes to worst, they will release Henao, wish him all the best and pay the sloberringham's of this world their standard rate to not ask any questions about it.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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I wonder why none of the other Colombians or altitude natives don't have the same issues. Does anybody want to hazard a guess?

The sample of Colombians/altitude natives in the pro peloton is way too small to draw conclusions on that. Henao could be doping or his body could simply respond in a particular way.

I don't have the acht numbers but in the past years their number has risen considerably and we're not only taking Colombians. What do we know of altitude natives in other sports and from other countries?

I'm not a statistician, so if there's a professional one here I'm more than happy to listen to his feedback, but I think that even with 100 altitude natives in the professional cycling peloton the sample would be woefully underpowered.

 

[Kokoso]

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Ha, ha, ha. Bring on the lie detector and Kreuziger as a consultant.

Kreuziger was born at 360 metres altitude. Could not offer any help in this case.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

I want to hear David Walsh's rationalization for this one. I am sure it will be something that would do George Costanza proud.

Hey, David, remember. It's not a lie if you believe it.

 

[manafana]

The saga part two, hopefully this one doesnt drag on and on, and they either say its explainable or its not and make an early call.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

I want to hear David Walsh's rationalization for this one. I am sure it will be something that would do George Costanza proud.

I've got another rationalisation for you to explain.

Cynics say the UCI's anti-doping policies are merely window-dressing and, in fact, that Verbruggen/McQuaid/Cookson are complicit in protecting the "big guys"

BUT

as soon as the UCI's anti-doping policies catch someone, like Henao, the cynics brand him a doper for life.

So, which is it? Are UCI's anti-doping policies credible or not? Looking forward to some interesting mental gymnastics from the Cynical Squad.

 

[hrotha]

How is that in any way complicated?

You can get away with doping without being caught or exposed.
You won't test positive or be caught if you didn't actually dope.

 

[BullsFan22]

He isn't British, so it's ok. Sky will be A OK.

 

[jilbiker]

I am totally not surprised by this Henao case. His numbers this season have been baffling. Where other seasoned riders were panting, he seem to be having a breeze. I was hoping something would show up soon, he does not seem to get his act together well on the doping arena, he already had a close shave, guess he thought Sky were invincible and the money of RubertM would cover it all. Unlike Kruizeger who after his narrow escape has chilled out for now. Well Henao did lay low for a while after that close shave, but this season, we saw another animal. Sky and their so called super dosmetiques,

Next person I am waiting for it GerraintT

 

[SeriousSam]

I want to hear David Walsh's rationalization for this one. I am sure it will be something that would do George Costanza proud.

I've got another rationalisation for you to explain.

Cynics say the UCI's anti-doping policies are merely window-dressing and, in fact, that Verbruggen/McQuaid/Cookson are complicit in protecting the "big guys"

BUT

as soon as the UCI's anti-doping policies catch someone, like Henao, the cynics brand him a doper for life.

So, which is it? Are UCI's anti-doping policies credible or not? Looking forward to some interesting mental gymnastics from the Cynical Squad.

Given that you thought it would take 'interesting mental gymnastics' to reconcile this, I doubt hrotha's correct but terse answer will be enough for you, so let me break it down some more. Remarkably, it turns the mental gymnastics are centuries old standard ideas from statistics and essentially just common sense.

A riders is a doper or he isn't.
A rider tests positive or he doesn't.
Call it a false positive when a rider isn't a doper but tests positive. This is bad. The UCI's anti-doping policies wouldn't be credible if the rate of false positives is too high.
Call it a false negative when a rider is a doper but tests negative. This is bad. The UCI's anti-doping policies wouldn't be credible if the rate of false negatives is too high.

Many of us estimate the false positive rate to be close to 0, and the false negative rate to be much bigger. If so, then someone like Henao getting caught means it's he's very likely a doper, but the UCI's anti-dping policies aren't credible, because so many dopers are getting away with it.

 

[Benotti69]

I want to hear David Walsh's rationalization for this one. I am sure it will be something that would do George Costanza proud.

I've got another rationalisation for you to explain.

Cynics say the UCI's anti-doping policies are merely window-dressing and, in fact, that Verbruggen/McQuaid/Cookson are complicit in protecting the "big guys"

BUT

as soon as the UCI's anti-doping policies catch someone, like Henao, the cynics brand him a doper for life.

So, which is it? Are UCI's anti-doping policies credible or not? Looking forward to some interesting mental gymnastics from the Cynical Squad.

Did somebody get caught? Henao has been asked to explain anomalies. Easy ask Oli Cookson and Sheffield Uni.

Till a ban is handed down no one has been caught and lambasting the clinic is wasting time trolling and baiting.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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How is that in any way complicated?

You can get away with doping without being caught or exposed.
You won't test positive or be caught if you didn't actually dope.

Let me rephrase it:

Are UCI anti-doping procedures worth a damn?

 

[StryderHells]

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Next person I am waiting for it GerraintT

No way they throw him under the Bus

 

[King Boonen]

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How is that in any way complicated?

You can get away with doping without being caught or exposed.
You won't test positive or be caught if you didn't actually dope.

Let me rephrase it:

Are UCI anti-doping procedures worth a damn?

Yes.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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So why do people accuse riders who've never tested positive under the UCI regime?

 

[thehog]

I want to hear David Walsh's rationalization for this one. I am sure it will be something that would do George Costanza proud.

Hey, David, remember. It's not a lie if you believe it.

Walsh will tweet that doping no longer exists in the peloton because riders can use motors instead.

 

[King Boonen]

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So why do people accuse riders who've never tested positive under the UCI regime?

I did not say that never testing positive means a rider is clean.

 

[hrotha]

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How is that in any way complicated?

You can get away with doping without being caught or exposed.
You won't test positive or be caught if you didn't actually dope.

Let me rephrase it:

Are UCI anti-doping procedures worth a damn?

Worth a damn? Well, yes.
Actually likely to catch any particular doper? No.

This is like Doping 101.

 

[Escarabajo]

I am baffled by this. Not that he is suspicious, but that Sky does not have a good handle around Sergio Henao. It will be safer for them if they only look at other cyclists where they have more statistics.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

 

[sniper]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

either that, or maybe complaints have come in from other teams, why uci haven't taken any action against henao inspite of the suspicious ooc test results.

 

[Stingray34]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

 

[Stingray34]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

either that, or maybe complaints have come in from other teams, why uci haven't taken any action against henao inspite of the suspicious ooc test results.

I really don't see this happening because a) how would teams know Henao's blood values, b) he hasn't been cleaning up the victories, c) The Omerta is still alive - teams don't rat on other teams, lest it comes back to haunt them.

Then again, who am I? I mean, who AM I?*








*help!

 

[thehog]

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So all the indications are that Henao is going to be robustly defended by Sky rather than Tiernan-Locked ?

UCI vs Sky. Henao must be absolutely off the charts for UCI to take this on

I don't know all the details (or even just a few) and I'm no Sky fan (I was the one who first termed them UK Postal, I think), but the salient point I saw in the article is that the analysis procedures are anonymous, that is, there's no context on who might be a 'altitude native*', which means, if true, someone like Henao will perennially kick the ABP tripwire. If he's genuinely clean, that has to suck.

* I also don't know if being an altitude native makes any sense, but as the guy was exonerated last time, it may have a bearing. If so, I kinda feel for him - he will always be fighting something like this - clean or not - for his entire career.

It's fairly hard to trip tripwire or more to the point there are a million legitimate* excuses that can exonerate you before it goes any further. Going up and down from altitude is your safest bet to stay wide of the passport. I'll say Heano will get cleared by his federation, the only question is whether the UCI will appeal that decision.

The altitude native "crap" is just that, it has no bearing on a passport case, it's just a Brailsford delaying tactic, which put some distance between JTL and present day.

Brailsford's shimmy says it all;

The physiology of ‘altitude natives’ is a complex area,” Brailsford added.

* I don't meant that a truthful just accepted by CADF.