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Shack Stalemate Sabotages Licence Hopes?

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Mellow Velo said:
So, you can't actually tell us who made the Shack application, can you?

All PT licences are issued under a company name, but are normally held, (Astana being the exception) by the team manager.

Companies are all listed here:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_ProTour

As to Capital Sports and Entertainment?
Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs. That's it.
Brand new company. Nice pickie of Lance.
http://www.planetcse.com/who.asp

What do they do? Promote Lance, Mellow Johnny's and Livestrong and not much else.

So, why wouldn't Bruyneel be a shareholder?
In submitting an application, his name would be paramount, IMO.

Looks to me as if there was nothing wrong with my source and that you have made an assumption, that is incorrect.

1. Knaggs and Stapleton are not the only two owners.

2. It's by no mean a brand new company. It was founded as CSV more than a decade ago. Changed to CSE later.

3. They do a LOT more than "promote Lance, Mellow Johnny's and Livestrong." Perhaps you've heard of Lollapalooza, or the PBS show Austin City Limits, or the ACL music festival? Or Blues Traveler? Jack Ingram? Robert Earl Keen? The Obama election celebration in Grant Park last year?

Perhaps you see a "problem" with your "source"?
 
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Who cares about Astana sponsors? They missed the deadline, right?

My understanding is that even the UCI spokesperson said Contador is free to go based on Astana missing the last deadline and that would apply to all Shack-bound riders. Doesn't really matter how many sponsors Vino can pull out of a hat, Astana blew the deadline. Did I miss something? Seems to me like a done deal. Yeah, there's some wrangling with any conflicting labor laws in Kazakhstan concerning breaking contracts but come on, Alberto is history. And the other riders have a pretty good legal case for splitting, too.

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eleven said:
1. Knaggs and Stapleton are not the only two owners.

2. It's by no mean a brand new company. It was founded as CSV more than a decade ago. Changed to CSE later.

3. They do a LOT more than "promote Lance, Mellow Johnny's and Livestrong." Perhaps you've heard of Lollapalooza, or the PBS show Austin City Limits, or the ACL music festival? Or Blues Traveler? Jack Ingram? Robert Earl Keen? The Obama election celebration in Grant Park last year?

Perhaps you see a "problem" with your "source"?

Lollapalooza? Is it 1995? If Flea out of rehab?

You might want to check your sources. The bands and the events are not promoted by CSE, they are promoted by C3 Presents. CSE spun off their music group to C3.

CSE's primary focus is the Armstrong brand, building it by finding more clueless groupies to buy yellow $hit that they think will fight cancer but actually pays for jet fuel.
 
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Race Radio said:
Lollapalooza? Is it 1995? If Flea out of rehab?

Well, I don't know if Flea's out of rehab but 200,000 people attended Lollapalooza in Grant Park this summer. You can do the math on about $70 / day / person. It's not 1995, it's a profitable version of 1995.

You might want to check your sources.

My sources are fine, thanks.

The bands and the events are not promoted by CSE, they are promoted by C3 Presents. CSE spun off their music group to C3.

C3 is virtually a wholly owned subsidiary of CSE. The owners of CSE have a controlling interest.
 
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Race Radio said:
Wrong again. Charles Attal, Charlie Jones, and Charlie Walker own the majority of C3

Nope. Jones, Stapleton and Knaggs retain a controlling interest.

And "wrong AGAIN"? I haven't been wrong yet.
 
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Race Radio said:
You claimed that CSE Promotes Lollapalooza and Austin City Limits when this is done by C3.

Wikipedia says you are wrong about who owns C3 as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C3_Presents
company owned by Charles Attal, Charlie Jones, and Charlie Walker,

I'm not concerned with what an open source information center says about the ownership of a private company.

CSE's spinoff, which is majority owned by two CSE owners and one C3 owner, promoted those events as well as the others I mentioned. For concerns outside limiting liability they are essentially the same company - and the two principals at one sit on the board and have significant ownership in the other.

If you wish to split that hair, then I was "wrong".

In case anyone was wondering:
C3 Presents
98 San Jacinto Suite 400
Austin, TX

CSE
98 San Jacinto Suite 430
Austin, TX

They didn't spin very far...
 

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