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Shack Stalemate Sabotages Licence Hopes?

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bianchigirl said:
If the transfer list at Astana fans is accurate, Contador will have no problems beating GeriShack and Old Father Time.

Mind posting said list, or a link to it? I couldn't find it on Astana Fans, at least not on the English language part of it...
 
bianchigirl said:
Has nobody seen the new riders signed by Astana?
Ruben Plaza
Bradislav Samoilau
Fofonov
Gurov
Tiralongo
Allan Davis
Caruso
Gasparotto
Simoni
Kunitsky
Plus Zubeldia - doesn't look too shabby to me. Loving the idea of Simoni as a super climbing domestique.

Rupert said:
Mind posting said list, or a link to it? I couldn't find it on Astana Fans, at least not on the English language part of it...

See above.
 
KazakhNeRider said:
their all are not signed yet, it's only preliminary list of people who were close to sign. Everyone is waiting for pro-tour license confirmation

Which cannot be forthcoming, when a team is a dozen riders short of a Pro tour roster.
Catch 22.
Get your lot to put their hands in their pockets quick.
McQuaid is only looking for an excuse.
 
Mellow Velo said:
Which cannot be forthcoming, when a team is a dozen riders short of a Pro tour roster.
Catch 22.
Get your lot to put their hands in their pockets quick.
McQuaid is only looking for an excuse.

...and that excuse us coming. There is a lot of talking going on.

We must remember there has been no official annoucment as yet from the UCI. Thats all that counts.

Even PL is still talkin'.:

Quick Step’s Patrick Lefevre continues to court Alberto Contador, saying that he would have his choice of four riders to support him. Lefevre does not seem to be concerned that Contador is contracted with Astana through 2010, saying, The current Astana team is not the same as that in which he has signed. Since then, no fewer than 24 riders have left the team.” Tom Boonen says that he would be the first to rejoice if the transfer was successful.
 
If this is all Astana have left, on their rider roster:

[KAZ] BAZAYEV Assan
[KAZ] DMITRIYEV Valeriy
[KAZ] DYACHENKO Alexsandr
[KAZ] IGLINSKIY Maxim
[KAZ] KIREYEV Roman
[KAZ] MURAVYEV Dmitriy
[KAZ] RAIMBEKOV Bolat
[KAZ] RENEV Sergey
[KAZ] VINOKOUROV Alexandre
[KAZ] ZEITS Andrey
[ESP] CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
[ESP] HERNANDEZ BLAZQUEZ Jesus
[ESP] NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
[ESP] NOVAL GONZALEZ Benjamin
[ESP] ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar
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[KAZ] FOFONOV Dmitriy
[KAZ] GOUROV Maxim
[KAZ] IGLINSKIY Valentin

I make them short of the rquired PT roster by 7.
Isn't the full quota 25?

Deadline for signings is October 20th, I believe, or am I wrong and it's the deadline for PT licence issue?

Anyhow, having read that, while the riders mentioned above, in earlier posts, are possible signings, none will be, prior to the issue of a new Astana PT licence. (KazakhNeRider)

So, another question. Does anyone know which bit is the cart and which bit is the horse and are Astana playing a risky wait and see game?
 
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i surmise kazakhnerider is one of very few around here who can shed some credible light on the issue, mellow velo. his site astanafans just published the latest interview with the top kazakh official who is involved in the team mechanics
http://translate.google.com/transla...en.html#more-17485&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

.... contador was very happy with the new team roster, most riders are either already signed or very close to, another unnamed team leader is about to join, contador was very happy with the french team manager, vonokourov is cleared for 2010 tour de france, 26 rider are presented to the uci half are from kazakhstan....
 
python said:
i surmise kazakhnerider is one of very few around here who can shed some credible light on the issue, mellow velo. his site astanafans just published the latest interview with the top kazakh official who is involved in the team mechanics
http://translate.google.com/transla...en.html#more-17485&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

.... contador was very happy with the new team roster, most riders are either already signed or very close to, another unnamed team leader is about to join, contador was very happy with the french team manager, vonokourov is cleared for 2010 tour de france, 26 rider are presented to the uci half are from kazakhstan....

At this point, I'm taking every rumor with a block of salt. I just read an interview AC did with L'Equipe on October 14 which gives a different impression. But of course, they could have had a sit down after the interview. Who knows...October 20th can't get here fast enough.
 
Publicus said:
At this point, I'm taking every rumor with a block of salt. I just read an interview AC did with L'Equipe on October 14 which gives a different impression. But of course, they could have had a sit down after the interview. Who knows...October 20th can't get here fast enough.

Thank you.


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Publicus said:
I'm pretty sure cancer will still be around in 4 years, so if Lance's goal is to raise cancer awareness, he will surely stick it through the 4 years. :p

Just wondering if I missed something. Does Radio Shack dabble in Cancer Research and Treatment too?:confused:
 

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racerralph said:
Just wondering if I missed something. Does Radio Shack dabble in Cancer Research and Treatment too?:confused:

I heard Armstrong's research centre has found the cure for cancer but he has told them to withhold it until he has finished with the sport.
 
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Since this thread includes stuff about Contadors contract issues I thought I'd say this here to save posting a new thread:

Basically, i've figured out a solution to AC's contract dillema - he retires.

This has happened in the AFL (Oz Football) a few times. Players are contracted, they retire, then enter the draft and get a new team (Mal Michael Brisbane to Essendon).

Basically, AC retires.
Therefore, his contract at Astana is finished.
He waits until the dust settles.
Then comes out of retirement a month later and signs with Caisse or Garmin


Could I be any smarter?

Feel free to tell me if this is impossible in cycling or has ever been done before and why nobody has ever mentioned it??? Im sure its not possible. But I dont want this guy unvited from another tour becoz of Vino
 
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I don't know if there's any specific rule against it, but if it was possible it certainly would have been done before. At any rate, it shouldn't be legal, because it would just be a cheeky and traitorous way to sneak out of a contract.
 
Once again, taking Iain's post from elsewhere, earlier today:-
via the wonderful cyclingfans

"Vinokourov cheated, he served his suspension, and now he is back. That's life"

That's what Chris Prudhomme said on French radio...

So, Astana will be there and Vino with them......or so it appears.
Nice idea about the retirement, though. I'll bet there's a clause in there, somewhere.;)
 
The wrench in the motor is that Vino is supposed to not be able to ride for 4 years on a PT team after his positive test, per UCI rules. Unfortunately the UCI only enforces this rule on some riders, such as Roberto Heras, while looking the other way for others. All while giving no logical explanation as to why their rules are written in pencil.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
The wrench in the motor is that Vino is supposed to not be able to ride for 4 years on a PT team after his positive test, per UCI rules. Unfortunately the UCI only enforces this rule on some riders, such as Roberto Heras, while looking the other way for others. All while giving no logical explanation as to why their rules are written in pencil.

Would Basso have the same issue?
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
The wrench in the motor is that Vino is supposed to not be able to ride for 4 years on a PT team after his positive test, per UCI rules. Unfortunately the UCI only enforces this rule on some riders, such as Roberto Heras, while looking the other way for others. All while giving no logical explanation as to why their rules are written in pencil.

This didn't have anything to do with Mayo not coming back did it? Or he just didn't want to..
 
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Danilot said:
I don't know if there's any specific rule against it, but if it was possible it certainly would have been done before. At any rate, it shouldn't be legal, because it would just be a cheeky and traitorous way to sneak out of a contract.

A very cheeky loophole, i thought it was a brilliant idea. But then again, it's very hard to design a contract without some kind of loophole. I agree it is dodgy, but there couldnt possible be anything in his contract that says he can't retire... And once retired, there cant possibly be a law saying he can't come out of retirement. Maybe there is...

Again, I just want AC out of a team that may get barred from the tour again
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
You are aware that we have had a mixed economic system for over 100 years with Socialist principles incorporated therein? You will also note that there is no real world example of a major industrialized nation that is any different. In fact, you will find that most of those nations have far more numerous Socialist ideals affecting the factors of production.

Sorry, but the Libertarian/invisible hand idea is an unproven theory with no successful examples of implementation.

All theories are just that, theories. The only accurate way to evaluate a theory is to compare it to others. Liberalism, socialism, environmentalism, capitalism are all labels. There are few pure examples of any of these, just aspects that prop up all over the world, apsects that often digress from the pure theory.
 

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