Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[bobbins]

Re: Re:

Talk about hysterical. What is wrong with what he has said?

She's ruined her chances at the worlds and possibly at the olympics, not only hers but also her team mates. Fair play to Shane for telling it like it is. He could have just made an excuse for her but what would she learn from that? Sport is a tough business and she has a big tram behind her helping her to be the best she can be and then she goes and falls off her motor bike. Not very professional.

It's not so much what he said, it's that he said it in public. That's poor management and it's not like he hasn't got 'previous' on that front.

'Previous' are you insane? For all his alleged faults, at least he is honest and doesn't try to weasel his way out of things like Brailsfraud does. He was asked a question about her and he answered it. Should her have said that she was just unlucky and that he has the entire squad out on their motorbikes in the rain?

For all the good insight that this forum can provide and the good sources that are available, so much decent information and evidence is clouded by the hysterical reactions to anything people you don't like get up to.

 

[The Carrot]

Re: Re:

Talk about hysterical. What is wrong with what he has said?

She's ruined her chances at the worlds and possibly at the olympics, not only hers but also her team mates. Fair play to Shane for telling it like it is. He could have just made an excuse for her but what would she learn from that? Sport is a tough business and she has a big tram behind her helping her to be the best she can be and then she goes and falls off her motor bike. Not very professional.

It's not so much what he said, it's that he said it in public. That's poor management and it's not like he hasn't got 'previous' on that front.

'Previous' are you insane? For all his alleged faults, at least he is honest and doesn't try to weasel his way out of things like Brailsfraud does. He was asked a question about her and he answered it. Should her have said that she was just unlucky and that he has the entire squad out on their motorbikes in the rain?

For all the good insight that this forum can provide and the good sources that are available, so much decent information and evidence is clouded by the hysterical reactions to anything people you don't like get up to.

Sutton and 'honest' are two things that I have never before heard or seen mentioned in the same breath.

Yours hysterically,

The Carrot

 

[sniper]

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Sutton and 'honest' are two things that I have never before heard or seen mentioned in the same breath.

this.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Talk about hysterical. What is wrong with what he has said?

She's ruined her chances at the worlds and possibly at the olympics, not only hers but also her team mates. Fair play to Shane for telling it like it is. He could have just made an excuse for her but what would she learn from that? Sport is a tough business and she has a big tram behind her helping her to be the best she can be and then she goes and falls off her motor bike. Not very professional.

It's not so much what he said, it's that he said it in public. That's poor management and it's not like he hasn't got 'previous' on that front.

'Previous' are you insane? For all his alleged faults, at least he is honest and doesn't try to weasel his way out of things like Brailsfraud does. He was asked a question about her and he answered it. Should her have said that she was just unlucky and that he has the entire squad out on their motorbikes in the rain?

For all the good insight that this forum can provide and the good sources that are available, so much decent information and evidence is clouded by the hysterical reactions to anything people you don't like get up to.

Sutton and 'honest' are two things that I have never before heard or seen mentioned in the same breath.

Yours hysterically,

The Carrot

presumably honest in the way that trump is honest, rather than honest honest

 

[bobbins]

Re: Re:

Talk about hysterical. What is wrong with what he has said?

She's ruined her chances at the worlds and possibly at the olympics, not only hers but also her team mates. Fair play to Shane for telling it like it is. He could have just made an excuse for her but what would she learn from that? Sport is a tough business and she has a big tram behind her helping her to be the best she can be and then she goes and falls off her motor bike. Not very professional.

It's not so much what he said, it's that he said it in public. That's poor management and it's not like he hasn't got 'previous' on that front.

'Previous' are you insane? For all his alleged faults, at least he is honest and doesn't try to weasel his way out of things like Brailsfraud does. He was asked a question about her and he answered it. Should her have said that she was just unlucky and that he has the entire squad out on their motorbikes in the rain?

For all the good insight that this forum can provide and the good sources that are available, so much decent information and evidence is clouded by the hysterical reactions to anything people you don't like get up to.

Sutton and 'honest' are two things that I have never before heard or seen mentioned in the same breath.

Yours hysterically,

The Carrot

I'm talking about in his current role. Sorry, I should have quantified this as everyone here takes things literally.

 

[Robert21]

Re:

More top management technique from Sutton, criticising his riders in public. Remember his open criticism of Nicole Cooke, his treatment of Pendleton and Houvenaghel? Doesn't seem to like women much does he?

What a load of crap. I know we live in a world where absolutely any criticism of a female tends to held up as being an example of 'sexism', 'underlying misogyny' and so on, but this is more like another example of Sutton, as a straight-talking Aussie, saying things exactly as they are. How about his reference to Wiggins at the 2010 Tour saying that he was "so unfit he couldn't pull the foreskin off a rice pudding"? By the same 'logic' this means that Sutton is also a misandrist, and possibly homophobic as well.

Sometimes riders just do stupid things, think that the world revolves around them and have a huge chip on their shoulder, or are as flakey as hell and someone pointing this out is not proof that they are living in 1957!

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

More top management technique from Sutton, criticising his riders in public. Remember his open criticism of Nicole Cooke, his treatment of Pendleton and Houvenaghel? Doesn't seem to like women much does he?

What a load of crap. I know we live in a world where absolutely any criticism of a female tends to held up as being an example of 'sexism', 'underlying misogyny' and so on, but this is more like another example of Sutton, as a straight-talking Aussie, saying things exactly as they are. How about his reference to Wiggins at the 2010 Tour saying that he was "so unfit he couldn't pull the foreskin off a rice pudding"? By the same 'logic' this means that Sutton is also a misandrist, and possibly homophobic as well.

Sometimes riders just do stupid things, think that the world revolves around them and have a huge chip on their shoulder, or are as flakey as hell and someone pointing this out is not proof that they are living in 1957!

Precisely! I expect some people who know more than Sutton how to coach a team could not coach the skin off a rice pudding.

I venture to suggest he's quite good at his present job and the young lady in question will accept the public rebuke, which may even be good for her in the circumstances. She has missed a great opportunity through her own fault.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

More top management technique from Sutton, criticising his riders in public. Remember his open criticism of Nicole Cooke, his treatment of Pendleton and Houvenaghel? Doesn't seem to like women much does he?

What a load of crap. I know we live in a world where absolutely any criticism of a female tends to held up as being an example of 'sexism', 'underlying misogyny' and so on, but this is more like another example of Sutton, as a straight-talking Aussie, saying things exactly as they are. How about his reference to Wiggins at the 2010 Tour saying that he was "so unfit he couldn't pull the foreskin off a rice pudding"? By the same 'logic' this means that Sutton is also a misandrist, and possibly homophobic as well.

Sometimes riders just do stupid things, think that the world revolves around them and have a huge chip on their shoulder, or are as flakey as hell and someone pointing this out is not proof that they are living in 1957!

Precisely! I expect some people who know more than Sutton how to coach a team could not coach the skin off a rice pudding.

I venture to suggest he's quite good at his present job and the young lady in question will accept the public rebuke, which may even be good for her in the circumstances. She has missed a great opportunity through her own fault.

And I would bet heavily that they'd do well no matter who coached them.

Long term outcomes like 4 year Olympic cycles are not predictable nor consistent enough to rely on the intuition of someone like Sutton. IMO you are rating his influence on the outcome of the team an infinite amount more than is likely.

Punishing someone -- which is what he is doing here by agreeing to air this dirty laundry in the media -- is going to negatively impact on the athlete, not positively.

You are judging her as *** if you think she didn't already learn the lesson through the outcome of the accident itself, and needs to be told about its negative impact on her and her team's sporting outcome, months after the fact. I'd almost hazard a guess you have skin in the game to make such a pathetic claim.

Quite frankly the assertion that Sutton dressing someone down in public would be "good for her circumstances" is patently ridiculous. The young lady will accept the rebuke alright, or she will be off the team, right? I've met coaches from Sutton's era and they are a bunch of small-minded tyrants, who look good as they are in a position of power within the structure that receives the best athletes. They do not make the athletes good, the athletes already are good.

@Robert21 I could not agree more, and I ask that you believe me when I say I would respond the same whether the athlete in question was male or female.

Sutton is taking a cheap shot here, and that is all it is.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

More top management technique from Sutton, criticising his riders in public. Remember his open criticism of Nicole Cooke, his treatment of Pendleton and Houvenaghel? Doesn't seem to like women much does he?

What a load of crap. I know we live in a world where absolutely any criticism of a female tends to held up as being an example of 'sexism', 'underlying misogyny' and so on, but this is more like another example of Sutton, as a straight-talking Aussie, saying things exactly as they are. How about his reference to Wiggins at the 2010 Tour saying that he was "so unfit he couldn't pull the foreskin off a rice pudding"? By the same 'logic' this means that Sutton is also a misandrist, and possibly homophobic as well.

Sometimes riders just do stupid things, think that the world revolves around them and have a huge chip on their shoulder, or are as flakey as hell and someone pointing this out is not proof that they are living in 1957!

Precisely! I expect some people who know more than Sutton how to coach a team could not coach the skin off a rice pudding.

I venture to suggest he's quite good at his present job and the young lady in question will accept the public rebuke, which may even be good for her in the circumstances. She has missed a great opportunity through her own fault.

And I would bet heavily that they'd do well no matter who coached them.

Long term outcomes like 4 year Olympic cycles are not predictable nor consistent enough to rely on the intuition of someone like Sutton. IMO you are rating his influence on the outcome of the team an infinite amount more than is likely.

Punishing someone -- which is what he is doing here by agreeing to air this dirty laundry in the media -- is going to negatively impact on the athlete, not positively.

You are judging her as *** if you think she didn't already learn the lesson through the outcome of the accident itself, and needs to be told about its negative impact on her and her team's sporting outcome, months after the fact. I'd almost hazard a guess you have skin in the game to make such a pathetic claim.

Quite frankly the assertion that Sutton dressing someone down in public would be "good for her circumstances" is patently ridiculous. The young lady will accept the rebuke alright, or she will be off the team, right? I've met coaches from Sutton's era and they are a bunch of small-minded tyrants, who look good as they are in a position of power within the structure that receives the best athletes. They do not make the athletes good, the athletes already are good.

@Robert21 I could not agree more, and I ask that you believe me when I say I would respond the same whether the athlete in question was male or female.

Sutton is taking a cheap shot here, and that is all it is.

Well, it takes one Aussie to put another in his place.

 

[bobbins]

Re: Re:

More top management technique from Sutton, criticising his riders in public. Remember his open criticism of Nicole Cooke, his treatment of Pendleton and Houvenaghel? Doesn't seem to like women much does he?

What a load of crap. I know we live in a world where absolutely any criticism of a female tends to held up as being an example of 'sexism', 'underlying misogyny' and so on, but this is more like another example of Sutton, as a straight-talking Aussie, saying things exactly as they are. How about his reference to Wiggins at the 2010 Tour saying that he was "so unfit he couldn't pull the foreskin off a rice pudding"? By the same 'logic' this means that Sutton is also a misandrist, and possibly homophobic as well.

Sometimes riders just do stupid things, think that the world revolves around them and have a huge chip on their shoulder, or are as flakey as hell and someone pointing this out is not proof that they are living in 1957!

Exactly.

 

[Rob27172]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

 

[bobbins]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

Lots of professional athletes aren't allowed to go skiing. Even pop singers etc aren't allowed to. It's about minimising risk. Some risks are unavoidable, such as those encountered in the day job. Some are. These are professional athletes and should behave as such.

 

[thehog]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

Lots of professional athletes aren't allowed to go skiing. Even pop singers etc aren't allowed to. It's about minimising risk. Some risks are unavoidable, such as those encountered in the day job. Some are. These are professional athletes and should behave as such.

Are athletes allowed to take illicit drugs or should they minimize that risk as well?

 

[bobbins]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

Lots of professional athletes aren't allowed to go skiing. Even pop singers etc aren't allowed to. It's about minimising risk. Some risks are unavoidable, such as those encountered in the day job. Some are. These are professional athletes and should behave as such.

Are athletes allowed to take illicit drugs or should they minimize that risk as well?

You'd want to keep that quiet too I would think.

 

[thehog]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

Lots of professional athletes aren't allowed to go skiing. Even pop singers etc aren't allowed to. It's about minimising risk. Some risks are unavoidable, such as those encountered in the day job. Some are. These are professional athletes and should behave as such.

Are athletes allowed to take illicit drugs or should they minimize that risk as well?

You'd want to keep that quiet too I would think.

"Strewth! She was riding a motorbike!" Shane Sutton said whilst intravenously injecting a female rider with an unknown substance. "Flammin' gala that bloody woman, what was she thinking?!" he said whilst administering the unknown drug.

 

[pastronef]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

Lots of professional athletes aren't allowed to go skiing. Even pop singers etc aren't allowed to. It's about minimising risk. Some risks are unavoidable, such as those encountered in the day job. Some are. These are professional athletes and should behave as such.

Are athletes allowed to take illicit drugs or should they minimize that risk as well?

You'd want to keep that quiet too I would think.

"Strewth! She was riding a motorbike!" Shane Sutton said whilst intravenously injecting a female rider with an unknown substance. "Flammin' gala that bloody woman, what was she thinking?!" he said whilst administering the unknown drug.

laughs, big laughs

 

[doperhopper]

I would like to add one minor point here

At what point does an athlete - who may or may not be on an olympic program - suddenly decide that everyday life is too dangerous and therefore all risk must be eliminated from their lives for the sake of protecting the sport and the team

For gods sake - we ask these riders to ride on the track at serious speed an inch from one anothers wheels and to take all sorts of risks with their bodies in sprints and races.

Then when they are not on the team or doing "their job" we lambast them for having the same daredevil attributes that make them able to take the risks and push themselves to be good athletes in the first place.

Sutton is an idiot if he thinks all his athletes should put their lives on hold or wrap themselves in cotton wool

It would be like me telling all my staff I dont want them going skiing in case they hurt themselves and have to take time off of work.

Lots of professional athletes aren't allowed to go skiing. Even pop singers etc aren't allowed to. It's about minimising risk. Some risks are unavoidable, such as those encountered in the day job. Some are. These are professional athletes and should behave as such.

Are athletes allowed to take illicit drugs or should they minimize that risk as well?

You'd want to keep that quiet too I would think.

come on, apple juice vs. flesh eating killer skis

 

[The Carrot]

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/tra20111208-track-GB-Cycling-Team-Pursuiters-enjoy-track-day-out-0

Seems like the boys are allowed to take a few risks.

 

[wrinklyvet]

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/tra20111208-track-GB-Cycling-Team-Pursuiters-enjoy-track-day-out-0

Seems like the boys are allowed to take a few risks.

Good for them and well done for finding that. But sampling "some of the finest cars available as they put their driving skills to the test behind the wheels of Ferraris, Alfa Romeos, Aston Martins and the Fiat 500 Abarth" on a racetrack and probably with expert supervision does not equate with the risks taken by Archibald.

She was riding the motorbike in cold wet conditions and "initially skirted the truth" - admitting only that she had crashed her “bike.”

Sutton's comments included, “That was a really bad choice on her part but it’s not for us to sit here and tell her she can’t ride a motorbike. They are grown ups. They have a life to live. And of course you could get hit by a car riding your bike. These things happen. But life is about choices. And the choices you make will govern your outcome. And she made a bad choice there. Inexperienced, raining, riding your motorbike… crazy.”

Now I happen to think that is a reasonable way of looking at it but we are all entitled to our own view.

 

[pastronef]

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/tra20111208-track-GB-Cycling-Team-Pursuiters-enjoy-track-day-out-0

Seems like the boys are allowed to take a few risks.

Good for them and well done for finding that. But sampling "some of the finest cars available as they put their driving skills to the test behind the wheels of Ferraris, Alfa Romeos, Aston Martins and the Fiat 500 Abarth" on a racetrack and probably with expert supervision does not equate with the risks taken by Archibald.

She was riding the motorbike in cold wet conditions and "initially skirted the truth" - admitting only that she had crashed her “bike.”

Sutton's comments included, “That was a really bad choice on her part but it’s not for us to sit here and tell her she can’t ride a motorbike. They are grown ups. They have a life to live. And of course you could get hit by a car riding your bike. These things happen. But life is about choices. And the choices you make will govern your outcome. And she made a bad choice there. Inexperienced, raining, riding your motorbike… crazy.”

Now I happen to think that is a reasonable way of looking at it but we are all entitled to our own view.

I think there are 2 different views

people who say Sutton is a sonofabitch, he´s known as a harsh person, he should just shut up, he´s always wrong etc.

people who say Sutton is right, she made a mistake, she even tried to say she was riding a bicycle, so he´s right for being angry and pissed, BUT he should have just talked to her in private, instead of saying it out loud in the interview. he´s wrong for that, for not keeping it behind closed doors.

 

[wrinklyvet]

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/tra20111208-track-GB-Cycling-Team-Pursuiters-enjoy-track-day-out-0

Seems like the boys are allowed to take a few risks.

Good for them and well done for finding that. But sampling "some of the finest cars available as they put their driving skills to the test behind the wheels of Ferraris, Alfa Romeos, Aston Martins and the Fiat 500 Abarth" on a racetrack and probably with expert supervision does not equate with the risks taken by Archibald.

She was riding the motorbike in cold wet conditions and "initially skirted the truth" - admitting only that she had crashed her “bike.”

I don't think anyone has any way of knowing what Archibald thinks of the remarks - they may well do her a world of good. Anyway, that's enough sticking up for Aussies for me for now. I can't believe I bothered, except that it's sometimes a good idea to credit everyone with some common sense, especially somebody who has earned that.

Everybody seems to assume Archibald won't handle the criticism but they have no reason to think so. Anyway, why am I sticking up for even one Aussie? God only knows. No more for now from me.

Sutton's comments included, “That was a really bad choice on her part but it’s not for us to sit here and tell her she can’t ride a motorbike. They are grown ups. They have a life to live. And of course you could get hit by a car riding your bike. These things happen. But life is about choices. And the choices you make will govern your outcome. And she made a bad choice there. Inexperienced, raining, riding your motorbike… crazy.”

Now I happen to think that is a reasonable way of looking at it but we are all entitled to our own view.

I think there are 2 different views

people who say Sutton is a sonofabitch, he´s known as a harsh person, he should just shut up, he´s always wrong etc.

people who say Sutton is right, she made a mistake, she even tried to say she was riding a bicycle, so he´s right for being angry and pissed, BUT he should have just talked to her in private, instead of saying it out loud in the interview. he´s wrong for that, for not keeping it behind closed doors.

She should have known she could never get away with the deception. When someone crashes the second (or even first) question, certainly in amateur sport, is, "Is the bike alright?"

 

[Freddythefrog]

Now I happen to think that is a reasonable way of looking at it but we are all entitled to our own view.

I am sure Shane would have taken an identical view. I am also sure some would argue that Shane only ever has the best interests of the greater good of the British Cycling team foremost in his thoughts at all times, and is never parochial or personal in his decision making.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

She should have known she could never get away with the deception. When someone crashes the second (or even first) question, certainly in amateur sport, is, "Is the bike alright?"

Yeah no cyclist ever got away with deception before, right?

Right?!

Edited for the hard of reading.

 

[JimmyFingers]

She should have known she could never get away with the deception. When someone crashes the second (or even first) question, certainly in amateur sport, is, "Is the bike alright?"

Yeah no cyclist ever got away with deception before, right?

Right?!

Congratulations on the massive deflection. Professional athletes takes a risk recreationally, gets injured, coach calls her on it. End of story.

<edited by mods>

 

[Rob27172]

Yeah pro athletes should sit in a darkened room and not go outside or do anything in case they jeopardize the team and their potential - because they must Minimise the risk:

Longtime backup goalie Glenn Healy cut himself while changing the bag on his bagpipes.
Former World No. 1 Greg Norman almost severed his hand while using a chainsaw to landscape his backyard.
Former San Diego Padres pitcher Adam Eaton stabbed himself in the stomach while trying to open a new DVD during his rookie year.
In 2002, Giants second baseman broke his wrist while “washing his car”.
While with the Toronto Blue Jays, outfielder Rickey Henderson fell asleep on an ice pack and missed three games because of frostbite.
In 2004, Sammy Sosa once injured his back after “two violent sneezes.”
Hockey player Svein Grøndalen missed a World Cup qualification match in 2010 when he ran into a moose while running in the forest.
Kim Clijsters injured her ankle when she stepped on someone's foot while wearing high heels at her cousin's wedding, an injury that could cause her to miss the French Open in six weeks.

My point is that there are so many ways that you can hurt yourself and cause injury that to try to "minimize the risk" you would end up sat in a room not daring to go anywhere or do anything
Which is ridiculous

Also does anyone know if the young lady went out when it was already raining or did she ride somewhere and then have to come home in the rain as it started once she was out?

There are many variables at stake

The one variable not up for discussion is that young people have little fear and very little thoughts of the consequences of their actions - I know I definitely did not at that age - and also that Sutton is a dumbass for calling her out in public as he has definitely lost her respect I would imagine and most other riders on the team

Just my view but there you are