Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[The Carrot]

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Even if we ignore the fact that this is the kids at UK sport effectively remarking their most successful piece of homework, the review is a PR exercise.

Got it. When it comes to allegations of 'sexism':

1) Forget the principle 'Innocent until proven guilty'.

2) Instead assume 'Guilty until proven innocent'

3) If the 'sexist' is later vindicated, declare 'Guilty even if proven innocent'.

Simple!

It's got no powers to call witnesses or demand evidence of any kind.

Has this prevented them from taking statements from those involved? No...

Nobody will have to swear on the bible or anything.

And if you first put your hand on a book of 2000 year old fairy stories this guarantees that you will tell the truth? :lol:

How on earth do you know exactly as to who has or who hasn't given evidence/statements? Are you on the panel?

My point about the bible is, it's not a court of law and nobody (on either side) is going down for perjury.

 

[pastronef]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rio-medallists-want-sutton-back-w2fznbjfs

 

[sniper]

This Sutton thing is turning into a brilliant tool to determine whom he has dirt on.

If ukad weren't a fraudulous bunch of dope facilitators, they w/sh/could use this as intel: target test all riders who speak out in support of Shame Sutton.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

GIRL power!

British Cycling upholds complaint against Shane Sutton by Jess Varnish
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/28/british-cycling-upholds-complaint-shane-sutton-jessica-varnish

 

[Benotti69]

Did Sutton get a big pay off with a confidentiality clause?

Also what about those who defended Sutton? The likes of Chris Hoy, Laura Trott, David Millar, Dani King, Geraint Thomas, Jo Rowsell.....

 

[MmeDesgrange]

Delighted that Sutton was not vindicated - now let's hope the BC review unearths the real dirt on him, because there's plenty to find if they want to dig deep enough.

Wonder if Nicole Cooke will re-release her book in full now that Sutton has been blamed and shamed for what is, in actual fact, the tip of the iceberg where Sutton is concerned.

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Shane Sutton and wife Abbie, come on down!

Only question: is it a Fancy Bears bit by bit, or will we have it all in the Sunday papers? Not SDW of course so maybe it has to be in the Mail? Matt Lawton?

 

[Benotti69]

https://twitter.com/Chasseur_Patate/status/792299025001242624

 

[sniper]

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There was a response to that tweet from another guy who said he knew Sutton had doped. And recall the Daily Mail article from 2012 citing three independent sources who had seen Sutton dope. (Although for "legal reasons" Sutton could not be mentioned explicitly at the time, it was clearly about Sutton).
Bottom line: plenty of people know/knew Sutton doped and it is hard to fathom that Brailsford didn't know as well.

Earlier in the thread:

No mate, let's not shut this one down. There's enough out there to nail Sutton on all fronts. It's not up to us to do the nailing - and if BC and SKY can't see it then they are complicit.

I've said my bit elsewhere and it would appear a couple of other peeps also had had things to say to the Sunday Mail reporter a couple of weeks ago.
You don't have to go far with enquiries with those riding in the 80,s , early 90,s to find views on the guy that don't exactly sit with Sky,s stated intentions.
No, he never did test positive...neither did lots of others...

 

[sniper]

What happened yesterday was highly unexpected. The smart money was on Sutton being reinstated. I don't think anybody including Sutton saw this coming. It suggests that something happened at the very last moment (e.g. new information surfaced) at the very last moment. Hopefully one day we will find out what this new information was. In any case, this plot twist was as surprising as it was welcome.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Some great posts in this last page, particularly this:

This Sutton thing is turning into a brilliant tool to determine whom he has dirt on.

If ukad weren't a fraudulous bunch of dope facilitators, they w/sh/could use this as intel: target test all riders who speak out in support of Shame Sutton.

I wonder how those who were so keen to be seen to have prostrated themselves before him and the management he represented are feeling now, it was quite some list. All that public show of hand wringing and pledging their troth; let's not forget these two
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/18/gb-olympic-cycling-star-becky-james-backs-shane-sutton---ive-nev/
who made as much % improvement between the World Champs as mature cyclist Mark Cavendish in slicing over 7 seconds of his PB in the individual pursuit. The effect of those rounder wheels again and getting a good night's sleep on some decent pillows instead of the usual tat they put in the athletes village.

A pity Jess could not be there to experience it all anyway if she fancies a holiday away from it all to put things behind her she can always go here and as the text says "You will not get better coaching or training advice anywhere else."

I wonder if the public gets its money back on the severance payment made to Sutton back in April, however I imagine Shane will soon be able to pay it back out of the small change.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/15/shane-sutton-expects-to-be-totally-exonerated-by-independent-review-british-cycling?CMP=share_btn_tw

Sutton expects/hopes to be totally exhonerated

Of course he will be. Who's going to jeopardise results like this by actually carrying out a proper review? Move along people, there's nothing to see here...

Who indeed...

 

[sniper]

Only an absolute fool would think that this decision was the result of a proper review.

 

[orbeas]

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https://twitter.com/Chasseur_Patate/status/792299025001242624

Twitter account gone !

 

[pastronef]

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https://twitter.com/Chasseur_Patate/status/792299025001242624

Twitter account gone !

what? just tweet not available

here he is https://twitter.com/Chasseur_Patate

 

[Craigee]

Re:

Some great posts in this last page, particularly this:

This Sutton thing is turning into a brilliant tool to determine whom he has dirt on.

If ukad weren't a fraudulous bunch of dope facilitators, they w/sh/could use this as intel: target test all riders who speak out in support of Shame Sutton.

I wonder how those who were so keen to be seen to have prostrated themselves before him and the management he represented are feeling now, it was quite some list. All that public show of hand wringing and pledging their troth; let's not forget these two
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/18/gb-olympic-cycling-star-becky-james-backs-shane-sutton---ive-nev/
who made as much % improvement between the World Champs as mature cyclist Mark Cavendish in slicing over 7 seconds of his PB in the individual pursuit. The effect of those rounder wheels again and getting a good night's sleep on some decent pillows instead of the usual tat they put in the athletes village.

A pity Jess could not be there to experience it all anyway if she fancies a holiday away from it all to put things behind her she can always go here and as the text says "You will not get better coaching or training advice anywhere else."

I wonder if the public gets its money back on the severance payment made to Sutton back in April, however I imagine Shane will soon be able to pay it back out of the small change.

I am flabbergasted that more hasn't been made of the massive improvements by all the GB track riders in Rio. I don't believe for one minute that riding most of the Tour de France was the perfect build up for Cav to do such a big PB for the IP.

Doping is rife in road cycling, rife in athletics but no no there is absolutely no doping in track cycling.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

Some great posts in this last page, particularly this:

This Sutton thing is turning into a brilliant tool to determine whom he has dirt on.

If ukad weren't a fraudulous bunch of dope facilitators, they w/sh/could use this as intel: target test all riders who speak out in support of Shame Sutton.

I wonder how those who were so keen to be seen to have prostrated themselves before him and the management he represented are feeling now, it was quite some list. All that public show of hand wringing and pledging their troth; let's not forget these two
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/18/gb-olympic-cycling-star-becky-james-backs-shane-sutton---ive-nev/
who made as much % improvement between the World Champs as mature cyclist Mark Cavendish in slicing over 7 seconds of his PB in the individual pursuit. The effect of those rounder wheels again and getting a good night's sleep on some decent pillows instead of the usual tat they put in the athletes village.

A pity Jess could not be there to experience it all anyway if she fancies a holiday away from it all to put things behind her she can always go here and as the text says "You will not get better coaching or training advice anywhere else."

I wonder if the public gets its money back on the severance payment made to Sutton back in April, however I imagine Shane will soon be able to pay it back out of the small change.

I am flabbergasted that more hasn't been made of the massive improvements by all the GB track riders in Rio. I don't believe for one minute that riding most of the Tour de France was the perfect build up for Cav to do such a big PB for the IP.

Doping is rife in road cycling, rife in athletics but no no there is absolutely no doping in track cycling.

Of course there's doping in track cycling, just not Team GB. Let's keep the facts straight....

 

[yaco]

Anyway nothing is more certain that Sutton will be offered another high level job - For all his foibles, Sutton gets results - And that's what matters.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Shane Sutton to contest British Cycling's verdict over sexism allegations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/11/03/shane-sutton-to-contest-british-cyclings-verdict-over-sexism-all/

I am struggling to keep up. First of all he trusted them to come to the right decision. Then he did not trust them because them came to the wrong decision. Now he trusts them again ! What are his grounds for appeal, is there any threshold beyond "I feel like I want to appeal" ?

 

[Huapango]

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Shane Sutton to contest British Cycling's verdict over sexism allegations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/11/03/shane-sutton-to-contest-british-cyclings-verdict-over-sexism-all/

I am struggling to keep up. First of all he trusted them to come to the right decision. Then he did not trust them because them came to the wrong decision. Now he trusts them again ! What are his grounds for appeal, is there any threshold beyond "I feel like I want to appeal" ?

Maybe British Cycling will "settle out of court" with Sutton as part of Sutton's severance payment from Team Sky, to keep him quiet for eternity.

 

[movingtarget]

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Anyway nothing is more certain that Sutton will be offered another high level job - For all his foibles, Sutton gets results - And that's what matters.

The irony is that without him they would not be as successful as they have been and when they were completely dominating a few years ago there was total silence. He was okay when everyone was winning but when team selections upset people it became an issue. He has been there for years. Not known for his subtlety it is easy to believe some of the things said about him but the true story will probably never be told not while people are still involved in the sport anyway. Expect future books to mention the episode of course.

 

[yaco]

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Anyway nothing is more certain that Sutton will be offered another high level job - For all his foibles, Sutton gets results - And that's what matters.

The irony is that without him they would not be as successful as they have been and when they were completely dominating a few years ago there was total silence. He was okay when everyone was winning but when team selections upset people it became an issue. He has been there for years. Not known for his subtlety it is easy to believe some of the things said about him but the true story will probably never be told not while people are still involved in the sport anyway. Expect future books to mention the episode of course.

Spot on with your post - Some of the Aussie posters in this thread have given a snapshot of Australia cycling from the beginning of the Charlie Walsh regime in the 1980's, and of course Sutton was part of this regime - Usually cycling coaches, especially track coaches are known for their tough and uncompromising methods.

 

[42x16ss]

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Anyway nothing is more certain that Sutton will be offered another high level job - For all his foibles, Sutton gets results - And that's what matters.

The irony is that without him they would not be as successful as they have been and when they were completely dominating a few years ago there was total silence. He was okay when everyone was winning but when team selections upset people it became an issue. He has been there for years. Not known for his subtlety it is easy to believe some of the things said about him but the true story will probably never be told not while people are still involved in the sport anyway. Expect future books to mention the episode of course.

Spot on with your post - Some of the Aussie posters in this thread have given a snapshot of Australia cycling from the beginning of the Charlie Walsh regime in the 1980's, and of course Sutton was part of this regime - Usually cycling coaches, especially track coaches are known for their tough and uncompromising methods.

Umm Sutton was so "liked" in Australia, that when he retired from racing he had to get his first major coaching gig in Wales. Take as long as you need with that.

 

[movingtarget]

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Anyway nothing is more certain that Sutton will be offered another high level job - For all his foibles, Sutton gets results - And that's what matters.

The irony is that without him they would not be as successful as they have been and when they were completely dominating a few years ago there was total silence. He was okay when everyone was winning but when team selections upset people it became an issue. He has been there for years. Not known for his subtlety it is easy to believe some of the things said about him but the true story will probably never be told not while people are still involved in the sport anyway. Expect future books to mention the episode of course.

Spot on with your post - Some of the Aussie posters in this thread have given a snapshot of Australia cycling from the beginning of the Charlie Walsh regime in the 1980's, and of course Sutton was part of this regime - Usually cycling coaches, especially track coaches are known for their tough and uncompromising methods.

Umm Sutton was so "liked" in Australia, that when he retired from racing he had to get his first major coaching gig in Wales. Take as long as you need with that.

Obviously you have to start somewhere as an inexperienced coach. Being liked is meaningless as far as results go. If the woman who accused Sutton had actually made the team she wouldn't have said anything because she had nothing to gain by it.

 

[sniper]

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Obviously you have to start somewhere as an inexperienced coach. Being liked is meaningless as far as results go.

Sure I agree that being nice isn't necessarily a recipe for success in professional coaching.
But you really don't need to be a BC insider to know that Varnish' comments weren't even scratching the surface. Rather it's more likely to be the thin tip of nasty friggin iceberg.
It just happened to be her comments that blew a hole in Sutton's ship. But I'd reckon that's merely a historical coincidence. Varnish wasn't the first to accuse Sutton of corrupt behavior - just check the first few pages of this thread - and in all likelihood she won't be the last.

If the woman who accused Sutton had actually made the team she wouldn't have said anything because she had nothing to gain by it.

Floyd wouldn't have said anything either if...etc.
I don't see your point here.