And they all behave likewise, right?Kiara is a rational girl said:I voted 'yes' because the riders are grown men, and I think it'd be more fitting if we treated them as such - and gave them the choice, MTF or otherwise.
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And they all behave likewise, right?Kiara is a rational girl said:I voted 'yes' because the riders are grown men, and I think it'd be more fitting if we treated them as such - and gave them the choice, MTF or otherwise.
Are you insane? A 30 y.o woman who lived close to me died after falling from her bike at about 10 km/h without a helmet. That's all it takes...Ryo Hazuki said:untrained people on regular bikes going to work ro whatever, who wear helmets should be kicked in all instances
The sample size is too small for assessing any kind of statistics. It only happened for maybe for a couple of years. I remember 2003 at the bottom of Luz Ardiden being very chaotic because nobody wanted to loose the lead group at that point.SirLes said:I think I've read all the posts in ths thread and I haven't seen any opinion based on evidence.
Does anyone know how many riders suffered head injuries requiring medical assistance from fall/ crashes whilst climbing to a MTF in say the 20yrs prior to the rule that helmets must be worn? I'm not aware of any but I've not studied it.
Also is anyone awhere of the number of crashes that occured during the time when helmets could be removed at the start of the final climb of a MTF that were as a result of the process of cyclists removing their helmets and dropping them off.
Again I'm not aware of any but that's not to say there haven't been.
If someone can give examples of either then I'm happy to change my vote. If not I'm not sure on the logic behind the insistance that rides wear helmets at all times.
maltiv said:Are you insane? A 30 y.o woman who lived close to me died after falling from her bike at about 10 km/h without a helmet. That's all it takes...
maltiv said:Are you insane? A 30 y.o woman who lived close to me died after falling from her bike at about 10 km/h without a helmet. That's all it takes...
RedheadDane said:You know... it's really funny. I can still see the riders just fine. It is only the top part of the head which is covered by a helmet...
Kiara is a rational girl said:I voted 'yes' because the riders are grown men, and I think it'd be more fitting if we treated them as such - and gave them the choice, MTF or otherwise.
Parera said:So should hockey players be allowed to choose whether or not they wear helmets? Does the team/governing body have absolutely no interest in the health of their employees/participants?
El Pistolero said:I saw a vid once at one of my uni courses where Ice hockey players were beating the crap out of each other. Just hitting each other in the face without trying to block or avoid till someone gave up. Apparently that was all according to the rules lol. So, no, Ice hockey governing body doesn't give a crap about the health of their participants.
Parera said:Ignorance of hockey. The fights are, speaking loosely here, "allowed" to an extent as they can deter more serious violence. There is actually a code of conduct in fights starting with a verbal acknowledgement between players that they are going to take the gloves off. Premeditated fights form the vast majority of fights, usually conducted between enforcers. Spontaneous fights between other players are rare.
Parera said:Seems to me you can't do a sanctioned bicycle race of any sort without being required to wear a helmet. And yes, we can sit here and debate what that means or if it's worth it and act like a bunch of blowhards but I digress, it's a waste of my time to add fuel to that particular fire. Thus, for the sake of consistency, I will simply say just keep your helmet on at all times.
It's certainly not a "right" to race a bicycle, so if someone says a helmet is required then so be it. If it's that an affront to your sensibilities don't watch cycling or don't race.
Escarabajo said:The sample size is too small for assessing any kind of statistics. It only happened for maybe for a couple of years. I remember 2003 at the bottom of Luz Ardiden being very chaotic because nobody wanted to loose the lead group at that point.
Maybe somebody can check on that.
If it is for overheating purposes then I'd say let's talk about it. Has that decreased the performance of cyclist due to poor heat transfer? I doubt it. If the argument is for looks then I'd say an absolute "no". My opinion.
So what? Is it that important to have the pros be positive role models? Don't these kids have parents to run their lives? Anyway, it's hardly a genuine message if the pros are forced, is it?RedheadDane said:Yes! They're grown men but they're also role models. Having them wear helmets is a way of telling the children that "Look! The pros use them. How can wearing one be uncool then?"
And, yes! I know that a lot of people who cycle aren't actually cycling-fans...
Parera said:So should hockey players be allowed to choose whether or not they wear helmets? Does the team/governing body have absolutely no interest in the health of their employees/participants?
Parera said:So should hockey players be allowed to choose whether or not they wear helmets? Does the team/governing body have absolutely no interest in the health of their employees/participants?
Kiara is a rational girl said:So what? Is it that important to have the pros be positive role models? Don't these kids have parents to run their lives?
RedheadDane said:Yes. They do! Hopefully... but in the end only the kids themselves can decide to wear a helmet (I'm not talking young kids here... more like teens, the age in which appearing cool is very important) After all; a kid can put on his/her helmet when leaving home then, as soon as (s)he is out of view, can just take off the helmet and hang it on the handlebar.
But, back on topic. Has anyone ever tried asking the riders if they think wearing a helmet uphill is a problem?
RedheadDane said:Yes. They do! Hopefully... but in the end only the kids themselves can decide to wear a helmet (I'm not talking young kids here... more like teens, the age in which appearing cool is very important) After all; a kid can put on his/her helmet when leaving home then, as soon as (s)he is out of view, can just take off the helmet and hang it on the handlebar.
RedheadDane said:You know... it's really funny. I can still see the riders just fine. It is only the top part of the head which is covered by a helmet...