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Single most "questionable" ride of the year?

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Berzin said:
Leipheimer and Horner at the ToC.

Leipheimer at the Tour of Utah. No testing at either race, and since I'm convinced they had advanced knowledge of this, they had to have been doped to the gills.

Both these guys are at the back ends of their respective careers, and by all accounts should not be having performances like they had in 2011. But the doping at Radio Shack goes on seemingly undisturbed, and these two guys are at the top of the list to me.

There was testing but not blood testing at both races.
 
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Berzin said:
Leipheimer and Horner at the ToC.

Leipheimer at the Tour of Utah. No testing at either race, and since I'm convinced they had advanced knowledge of this, they had to have been doped to the gills.

Both these guys are at the back ends of their respective careers, and by all accounts should not be having performances like they had in 2011. But the doping at Radio Shack goes on seemingly undisturbed, and these two guys are at the top of the list to me.

I thought races like this are backwaters of talent and level of competition and if any credible pros show up they don't take them seriously.
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
is that its a **** pot race that nobody outside of America cares about.

If that's the case and the level of competition is so laughable, why would it be suspect that riders who compete mostly at the Euro pro level would destroy the competition?
 
May 6, 2009
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thehog said:
Thor's season was on the ropes. He wanted out of Garmin and prepared himself nicely for the Tour to prostitute himself to suitable teams. Before you knew it he was climbing with Contador & Evans.

You do know he won the points jersey in 2009 don't you? By going into breaks in the mountain stages to pick up the points. As for Gilbert, a couple of years ago, or even last year I could say that he is clean or think that he is clean, but this year, I don't know, to beat the Schlecks in a sprint Gilbert doesn't need to dope, but I'm a bit cynical after completing a rare Ardennes hat-trick.

I'll agree about the TOC, the way Horner and Levi climbed Mt Baldy which isn't an easy climb, was a case of WTF.
 
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Anything with the word Radioshack attached to it.

Ultimately, you could question every performance but Horner/Levi is the biggest p**stake this year!
 
The Hitch said:
No. You bring Vos into all of these types of threads in the Pro Racing sub forum so Im asking if she belongs here too?

Maybe. In the women's races, I'm not the biggest Vos fan around. She's amazing, but she's too good and I'd rather see the likes of van Vleuten, Bastianelli, Pooley and Häusler winning. But when it comes to these "all rounder", "best rider of the year" and so on things, I like to bring her up because she's always overlooked because of the low profile or reputation or both of women's cycling, and her achievements eclipse those of most outside that.

Could she possibly be one for here? Certainly it's possible. The smaller talent pool and lack of specialisation possibly makes it more realistic to do everything she does clean, and apart from the unexpected performance in the mountains of the Giro nothing she did was exactly shocking (even then, she was surprisingly adept in the mountains of the Giro in 2010). But she has been so dominant and so good that we can't dismiss it out of hand either.
 
Yep, Voeckler TdF Stage 18, Pinerolo - Galibier.

Evans in top shape, dropping everyone, yet Voeckler only goes at the very end.

I use Evans as a benchmark as it's believed he may be "clean". Why hasn't a "clean" Voeckler ever come close to "clean" Evans before? If Evans is doping, how can a clean Voeckler match a charged Evans?
 
craig1985 said:
You do know he won the points jersey in 2009 don't you? By going into breaks in the mountain stages to pick up the points. As for Gilbert, a couple of years ago, or even last year I could say that he is clean or think that he is clean, but this year, I don't know, to beat the Schlecks in a sprint Gilbert doesn't need to dope, but I'm a bit cynical after completing a rare Ardennes hat-trick.

I'll agree about the TOC, the way Horner and Levi climbed Mt Baldy which isn't an easy climb, was a case of WTF.

Don't you ever lecture theHog again.
 
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Merckx index said:
Juan Manuel Marquez? Novak Djokovic? Geoffrey Mutai?

Oh, sorry, this is cycling only, isn’t it?

I also think Djokovic is doped, however there is no magic drug that will turn you into a great tennis player. He's still a total wuss, pulling out of the last couple tournaments with shoulder problems.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Chris Froome. Nothing else comes close.

Exactly! With all the in-house testing done by SKY you'd think they would've had a clue on what Froome was capable of. Say for example "oh on 6/11/11 test, Froome rode 44 minutes @ 415 watts on the trainer, then he followed that up with 52 minutes @ 435 watts 3 weeks later"... But they had NO IDEA what he was capable of... =CHARGING 100%


And Cobo - he goes from wanting to retire and become an electrician to 4 months later winning the Vuelta? Seriously... You expect us to believe that performance?

Made the Vuelta into a laughingstock... :eek:
 
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thehog said:
Don't you ever lecture theHog again.

But compared to other sprinters (if you can call Hushovd a proper sprinter these days) Hushovd can climb fairly well, like Rojas and Ventoso of Movistar. TBH I would be more shocked seeing Cav riding in a more similar manner to Hushovd.