Sky & Astana Train vs No Garmin Train

[whittashau]

Awww, someone who spends most of his spare time ranting about a bunch of suspected dopers can't tolerate criticism towards a Ferrari-client and doesn't realize he's being a massive hypocrite.

I hardly ever post in the clinic or say anything clinic related. So I think you may have me confused with someone else. My problem with this thread is that it's more sour grapes than anything as he started going on about him as soon as Ryder started to fail. The second place guy was a confirmed Ferrari-client too and nothing is said about him. If he has something substantial to gripe about other than how closed his mouth is then I would encourage this completely.

 

[maxmartin]

Nibali does look to be on a form I've never seen him in before. However, that may be confidence, and not necessarily an exceptionally amazing performance. His performance here, rather, is what I've expected from someone who's always been an upper tier climber and very good GC contedor. Unlike Christopher Froome who almost literally came out of nowhere to be one of the best TTers and Climbers in the sport.

JV has said Sky have a very good payroll and can pay for the best riders, but watching 6 of their dudes ride up a mountain is far too much like old US Postal than I really care to stomach anymore. I can't say I'm comforted by Uran's performance there.

I'm a lot more suspicious of these random Sky riders suddenly being elite level than people like Nibali who've been consistent over the years and finally finding their form. This doesn't mean I don't believe Nibali has doped - his links to Ferrari are enough to confirm that. The question is whether or not is he currently doping, and we have no way to tell that.

Not just Froom, Wiggins, Port just suddenly become world class GT contenders.

 

[The Hitch]

Awww, someone is mad that their favourite rider wont win this year. There there...

Even more hillarious that its a wiggins fanboy, who is arguing that Nibali dopes because

in 2009. How do you think he kept up with known dopers Armstrong, Schlecklet and Clentadopucci?

 

[the asian]

Hope kreuziger will keep his mouth shut and not rat out his former Liguigas colleagues. Even if it was years' ago, if the cycling media get news that Nibbles was Ferrari's client it would dampen his impending victory.

 

[The Hitch]

Hope kreuziger will keep his mouth shut and not rat out his former Liguigas colleagues. Even if it was years' ago, if the cycling media get news that Nibbles was Ferrari's client it would dampen his impending victory.

I hope your not serious. To describe the act of informing on fellow partners in crime as "ratting out". If Kreuziger comes clean and tells who else was doping, then he should probably be applauded even if in the grand scale of things it would be painful to once again see those caught scapegoated as a few bad apples on a very rich and prosperous tree.

 

[Netserk]

It'd be good for cycling if/when dopers are outed.

I'm quite sure Kreuziger won't though.

 

[the asian]

I hope your not serious. To describe the act of informing on fellow partners in crime as "ratting out". If Kreuziger comes clean and tells who else was doping, then he should probably be applauded even if in the grand scale of things it would be painful to once again see those caught scapegoated as a few bad apples on a very rich and prosperous tree.

Agree It would be sad however if the Italians are punished and the UCI favorite son's escape again.

Anyway it's no secret that most Liguigas riders were clients of Ferrari. The older generation is on its last legs. wouldn't do too much harm if they just go quietly. Would be happy if the younger ones stay out of it.

 

[maxmartin]

I hope your not serious. To describe the act of informing on fellow partners in crime as "ratting out". If Kreuziger comes clean and tells who else was doping, then he should probably be applauded even if in the grand scale of things it would be painful to once again see those caught scapegoated as a few bad apples on a very rich and prosperous tree.

The thing is Kreuziger himself said it is not doping, he is just training with the best coach. So I doubt he will disclose anything about other people.

 

[the asian]

The thing is Kreuziger himself said it is not doping, he is just training with the best coach. So I doubt he will disclose anything about other people.

Would the ban be applicable to him or was it applied to Italians only during that time

 

[LaFlorecita]

It'd be good for cycling if/when dopers are outed.

I'm quite sure Kreuziger won't though.

It would be good for sure when all of the top riders get banned

 

[Dazed and Confused]

It would be good for sure when all of the top riders get banned

if we peel off the current top, another will quickly emerge. Can we trust the upcoming one? With the current UCI management the answer is no.

 

[webbie146]

Hope kreuziger will keep his mouth shut and not rat out his former Liguigas colleagues. Even if it was years' ago, if the cycling media get news that Nibbles was Ferrari's client it would dampen his impending victory.

Is kreuziger being questioned? Bye who?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Is kreuziger being questioned? Bye who?

In this case, assuming his license is still from the Czech Republic, it would be their WADA National Anti-doping Organization. Which is here: http://www.antidoping.cz/aktuality.php

Basically, Roman has his cycling federation to protect him.

Again, same precautions apply. Operating under IOC's preferred system, the cycling federation has all the authority in this situation. The Czech Anti-Doping Authority, is below the sport's federation authority in most cases.

I don't know if the Czech Republic's anti-doping authority is an NGO. If the IOC had their way, then absolutely, it is an NGO with no authority outside what the country's sports federations pass onto it. Which means nothing happens to Roman. Ever.

If there's a Czech participant that can explain it better, then please do! I am not an authority on the topic.

 

[the asian]

Is kreuziger being questioned? Bye who?

By his own Federation.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

mouth closed. sitting on his saddle. lets santambrogio win.

what a freakin' joke.

another stunning win for the hematologist.

Why so angry? Our British friends and Jonathan V are telling us Garmin and Sky are doing it clean, why would that little Sicilian be any different?

Must be a tough time for you?

Dont forget, Astana are now proud members of MPCC.

Sicilians do not need dope.

 

[Big Doopie]

Awww, someone who spends most of his spare time ranting about a bunch of suspected dopers can't tolerate criticism towards a Ferrari-client and doesn't realize he's being a massive hypocrite.

Bingo.

Nibali keeps getting a free pass from the those who profess to know who is and who isn't doping. Even though mouth closed, seated firmly on his saddle he just left a bunch of professionally sky-doped columbian climbers gasping for air in his wake.

This from a guy who from early in his career went to a hematologist for training help and chose a systemic blood doping team to move to.

But apparently he's clean.

Just like Armstrong was.

All I'd like to repeat is: if mick Rogers was doing what Nibali is presently doing this place would self-immolate.

The hypocrisy, yes, is palpable.

 

[BroDeal]

All I'd like to repeat is: if mick Rogers was doing what Nibali is presently doing this place would self-immolate.

Rogers and his teammates were doing that last year and you did not catch fire.

It looks like someone is upset that the other riders saw what Sky is doing and stepped up their programs, just like The Clinic predicted.

 

[the sceptic]

Nibali doesnt get a free pass. But almost everyone will agree that he is doping, and he doesnt have an infinite amount of rabid bots and trolls defending him, thus he doesnt generate a huge thread like Sky.

 

[Big Doopie]

Rogers and his teammates were doing that last year and you did not catch fire.

It looks like someone is upset that the other riders saw what Sky is doing and stepped up their programs, just like The Clinic predicted.

Again missing the point (not a sky fan).

And also missing in all logic. Nibali was going to Ferrari before sky even existed.

Logic 101. Epic fail.

 

[BroDeal]

Again missing the point (not a sky fan).

And also missing in all logic. Nibali was going to Ferrari before sky even existed.

Logic 101. Epic fail.

The only point I see is you whinging about people pointing out the obvious Sky doping while creating a strawman about Nibali getting a free pass. Put that on your assignment in Logic 101 and see how you fare.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Rogers and his teammates were doing that last year and you did not catch fire.

It looks like someone is upset that the other riders saw what Sky is doing and stepped up their programs, just like The Clinic predicted.

It is pretty obvious, when Hesjedal pumps out 6.28 watts/k on Pampeago for 22 minutes in the third week of the Giro it is normal, when Nibali, the blooddoper, does 6.22 for 22 minutes in the second week of the Giro it is not normal.

Ignore is the best option. Or just have a good laugh with bdie.

 

[The Hitch]

Again missing the point (not a sky fan).
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So you claim, but you refuse to attack them and have used the same arguments you use to argue that Nibali is doping, to make the opposite points for Wiggins.

No different from all the Armstrong fanboys over the years who would start a sentence with " Im not an Armstrong fan, but" and then write all the drivel that carmichel told them.

It also eats into your argument when you claim that nibali is doping because he did so well at the 2009 tour, but say Wiggins was clean even though he finished 3 places higher.

Doesnt really make any sense.

 

[Ripper]

Nibali doesnt get a free pass. But almost everyone will agree that he is doping, and he doesnt have an infinite amount of rabid bots and trolls defending him, thus he doesnt generate a huge thread like Sky.

Dum de dum de dum de dum ...

Bingo! This pretty much explains at least half, if not 90%, of the size of this thread.

I have to laugh, there are folks posting in the race coverage about "why is everyone anti-Sky, what about Astana, what about Nibali" ... wa wa wa. Had to point out to a few - open your eyes, Nibs is discussed, it's just there's not a barrage of BS from folks with their blinders on.

 

[Ripper]

Nibali keeps getting a free pass from the those who profess to know who is and who isn't doping ... But apparently he's clean.

What are you talking about? Nibs, a free pass, don't make me laugh. But Astana have hardly been saying "we're the clean team", "we know how to train and no one else does", "we train harder", "we train smarter", "we use science", "we use power", blah blah blah.

Does not change what's going on at Sky though, does it?

All I'd like to repeat is: if mick Rogers was doing what Nibali is presently doing this place would self-immolate.

The hypocrisy, yes, is palpable.

You're a bit wrong there. Micky Dodgers has been picked apart pretty well. The thing is, he very well could be doing exactly what Nibs is doing, and still not be doing better than he is

 

[Big Doopie]

So you claim, but you refuse to attack them and have used the same arguments you use to argue that Nibali is doping, to make the opposite points for Wiggins.

so the only way to point out nibali is also to attack sky?

Logic fail again.

Not a sky fan. Not about sky.

Anti doping fan. Not happy when the most famous hematologist in the history of sports has another one of his frauds winning in the sport. Ferrari almost single-handedly began the destruction of the sport. I don't like when fans get so fixated they no longer see the greatest threat to the sport. I have decided to point it out. And with some success I dare say.

I will go out on a limb here and say that I do believe in what jv has been trying to do for the sport. But that goes by the wayside if nibalucci and his hematologist are allowed to win.