Ferminal said:What is that supposed to mean?
Astana's history is not a good one
Ferminal said:What is that supposed to mean?
Ferminal said:Neither is Roberto Amadio's. Nibali worked with Ferrari circa 2009-2010, then decided to stop doping 2011-2012, but began again upon joining Astana in 2013?
All without any significant change in performance since he became an elite contender in 2010.
Ferminal said:Neither is Roberto Amadio's. Nibali worked with Ferrari circa 2009-2010, then decided to stop doping 2011-2012, but began again upon joining Astana in 2013?
All without any significant change in performance since he became an elite contender in 2010.
Dear Wiggo said:^^this.
Nibali is riding at the same level as he was at the 2012 Tour. Nibali has not improved, Wiggins has tanked. Ryder has Daewoo'd.
Big Doopie said:Puhleeze. Natural progression from what? When he was seeing Ferrari basically as a neo pro. How do we know what his natural progression is?
Uran on the other hand notched up a gear.Nibali is riding at the same level as he was at the 2012 Tour. Nibali has not improved, Wiggins has tanked. Ryder has Daewoo'd
He lost around one and a half minute on the 18 kilometres flat part to Wiggins, that is relatively more than in last years 52K TT where he lost 3 minute 38. Not even mentioning the first TT there.Granting that the Giro TT may have suited him, do you find his TT performance a significant improvement?
Ferrari power versus swimming coaches and rice cookies.Oh come on, I love Nibali as a rider but the links with Ferrari are there. Bertagnolli said pretty much everyone who mattered at Liquigas worked with him, and he was seen riding with Ferrari following behind. It's not proven, I suppose, but come on.
Cramps said:Granting that the Giro TT may have suited him, do you find his TT performance a significant improvement?
Fearless Greg Lemond said:![]()
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Now, do tell me wich one looks more like progression. Or do they look kinda the same? With peaks and all?
Uran on the other hand notched up a gear.He lost around one and a half minute on the 18 kilometres flat part to Wiggins, that is relatively more than in last years 52K TT where he lost 3 minute 38. Not even mentioning the first TT there.Ferrari power versus swimming coaches and rice cookies.
Ferminal said:Neither is Roberto Amadio's. Nibali worked with Ferrari circa 2009-2010, then decided to stop doping 2011-2012, but began again upon joining Astana in 2013?
All without any significant change in performance since he became an elite contender in 2010.
Pretty sure Nibali sorts himself out.
webbie146 said:I hope Nibali is still visiting Ferrari. If sky dope like crazy Nibali should do too. He should get the full Ferrari program and kick ***.
Dear Wiggo said:^^this.
Nibali is riding at the same level as he was at the 2012 Tour. Nibali has not improved, Wiggins has tanked. Ryder has Daewoo'd.
Zam_Olyas said:The Astana train at Trentino was weak and looks like they have some sort of a sort of train today, it would still be weak imo ..like the liquigas pseudo train of last year.
Of course there are, i was merely talking about the train.Dazed and Confused said:The Astana train barely managed to get rid of Cav on the first climb today. No depth and pedestrian pace, pretty easy to derail at the business end too.
Still there are dopers on the team, just like any other team in the peloton, including Garmin.
webbie146 said:I hope Nibali is still visiting Ferrari. If sky dope like crazy Nibali should do too. He should get the full Ferrari program and kick ***.
Parrulo said:Big doopie if you continue to insult people like this you will be banned
Netserk said:Despite the graph I think Nibali had a relatively stable progression. Showing a lot of talent all up until '08, and in '09 he was the 4th strongest in the mountains in the Tour. In '10 he had a lot of luck to score so many points. His '11 Giro was comparable to his two GTs in '10. Perhaps a little stronger in '11, but against stronger opponents. He was not that much stronger in '12 Tour, but improved some in the classics (steadily). He has definitely improved this year. IMO his biggest improvements have been from '08 -> '09 and '12 -> '13.
But overall steady progression...
Netserk said:Do I think he is a doper? Yes. From before '09? Yes.
Doesn't exclude that his progression has been steady.