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thehog said:An aging Steven Hounard dabbles in micro doses of EPO to keep his contract and you compare that to a guy who drops 10kg's and TTs like Cancellera?
I honestly shake my head.
Full scale program with logistics will smash the mid ranking dabbler.
Do you think Steven Hounard has $90k lying around to spend on a doping program incorporating AICAR and blood transfusions!?
Does Hounard have Yates, Sutton, Rogers and Tenerife?
roundabout said:So Froome is a better rider than Hounard.
So are about 300 other people.
I will see your strawman and raise you a rhetorical.Froome19 said:What I still do not get is how people can explain the fact that drugs have apparently transformed Froome into an amazingly talented climber from a domestique about to be dropped, whilst they did nothing of the sort when it came to Steven Hounard.
Answer that and I may be convinced that possibly Froome's transformation was down to illegal ways and not the fact that he was limited by Bilharzia, lack of technique and all that.
Dr. Maserati said:How is it that Hounard was doping to be pretty anonymous yet Froome could be transformed to a potential GT winner without using PEDs?
Yep. Riis was the strongest in 96 even if no riders at all took any drugs...Froome19 said:Precisely
Only explanation is that Froome is immensely talented and therefore was never truly transformed.. rather was released.
PEDs as far as I know do not unlock ability, they increase ability.
Froome19 said:Precisely
Only explanation is that Froome is immensely talented and therefore was never truly transformed.. rather was released.
PEDs as far as I know do not unlock ability, they increase ability.
the sceptic said:After that 36th overall in the giro i knew it was only a matter of time, and a serious blood disease, before Froome would unleash his grand tour winning potential
thehog said:You do realise you're arguing the level playing field is reality in terms of doping?
Froome19 said:If you could explain to me how I am doing so then by all means.
What I am arguing is that I do not see how Froome's burst onto the scene can be explained away by the use of PEDs.
Ps. See my ps
My screen name was based on effectively picking any rider from Sky and adding a suitable number to it, just as long as the acoustic effect was right I was happythehog said:Froome19 says Froome is clean!
Think I'm going cross-eyed!
Maybe, and a hint might be in your screen name, that you don't want see anything else but clean.
Froome19 said:If you could explain to me how I am doing so then by all means.
What I am arguing is that I do not see how Froome's burst onto the scene can be explained away by the use of PEDs.
Ps. See my ps
noddy69 said:Can you see why people would suspect him and think it may be from drug use ?
Froome19 said:Of course, his superiority in the Tour is certainly suspicious, but in terms of his bursting on to the scene and the fact that that is used as an argument to condemn him as doping. To me it falls a bit short of the mark.
At first glance such a performance certainly would be suspicious; a nobody riding like a Tour winner, WTF? But to be honest when thinking about it on a deeper level it does not cut it for me.
Froome19 said:Of course, his superiority in the Tour is certainly suspicious, but in terms of his bursting on to the scene and the fact that that is used as an argument to condemn him as doping. To me it falls a bit short of the mark.
At first glance such a performance certainly would be suspicious; a nobody riding like a Tour winner, WTF? But to be honest when thinking about it on a deeper level it does not cut it for me.
thehog said:Here is Froome's immense talent on display Yes that's him going at right angles as super climber Simon Gerrans rides away from him!
Once again you do not answer the questions I have raised.thehog said:Here is Froome's immense talent on display Yes that's him going at right angles as super climber Simon Gerrans rides away from him!
noddy69 said:I like to think of it in a simple manner. Firstly to be certain there must be evidence which stands up and at the moment there is plenty of video and results to point to the fact he may be but no certain proof.
However been a simple creature I look at the vuelta. After a hard tour and a long season Froome went up against the three amigos....who , lets face it, were not training or cycling on bread and water. In fact it was bloody obvious and plain as day what was going on. He was 4th and near them until exaustion took hold and two of them were fresh and ready and to be honest Valverde was waiting all year for it and didnt exert himself at the tour......it is pretty suspect.
Froome19 said:Once again you do not answer the questions I have raised.
You point out the fact that he was seemingly rubbish. I have already acknowledged that, lets move on.
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True, but that does not answer my questions does it?thehog said:He was beyond rubbish. He was non-exsitent.
ebandit said:hog how many times are you going to wheel this out............it shows
nothing
have you never been over cooked / dehydrated / bonked?
thehog said:Sure it was a one off. Grupetto-Froome's one time at the front in a breakaway and he gets eaten alive by Simon Gerrans! LOL! If he stayed back where his talent was in the grupetto he wouldn't have burnt himself up.
Just to think in 18 months time from when this video was shot he became a better ciimber than 99% of the peloton and a faster, stronger TT'er than Cancellera.
But of course that was obviously always going to happen
Immense talent
thehog said:He was beyond rubbish. He was non-exsitent.