Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[blackcat]

i know manchester is the origin indoor boards, and the track hq. i know the music history of manch too.

but thnx for the addition <thumbsup>

 

[beowulf]

On what the thought about Froome as a weak descender is based?

This is the main reason why I think Froome will lose the Tour. I think he will crash out on one of the descents.

I would be curious to know what odds you can get on Froom crashing out of the Tour.

 

[Ferminal]

On what the thought about Froome as a weak descender is based?

Where did I say he is a weak descender?

TTing ability is relevant almost always, even relatively speaking one rider drops other one, there is 100 meters between them and both go their TT's, not to mention about real TT.

Not being great in flat TTs does not mean that one cannot pace themselves.

 

[The Hitch]

This is the main reason why I think Froome will lose the Tour. I think he will crash out on one of the descents.

I would be curious to know what odds you can get on Froom crashing out of the Tour.

Hard to crash out when you''re on the front the entire race.

 

[airstream]

Where did I say he is a weak descender?



Not being great in flat TTs does not mean that one cannot pace themselves.

Your reasoing about the second TT transparently hints on it.

 

[Ferminal]

Your reasoing about the second TT transparently hints on it.

Not at all, we have no idea really. He could be the second best descender on the day but if Rodriguez is #1 and they are equal climbers he's not going to beat him.

As we know descending is as much about risk as it is technical ability, by that stage of the race you would expect Froome to be taking a risk-averse approach.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

People in the UK literally have no idea who Froome is. On the news yesterday half the stations didn't even mention him, it was Sir Brad is going for the double, cool.

Sky, the corporation, can't sell the Tour on Froome, and Sky, the team, is changing the narrative.

Michelle's head is likely to explode after seeing or reading a couple of these stories. Waiting for her to post up a shot on her twitter account showing all of the Dawg's 2nd place GT jerseys.

Oh, wait... they don't give out jerseys for 2nd place.

Froomitron to go completely nook-a-ler (saying that in my best George Dubya accent) and set off every doping alert in known to mankind. The dude is going to be glowing hotter than a reactor come July if the plan is to decide the leader on the road during the first week.

 

[nevada]

It's going to be one un happy camp this year. Whoever is not chosen as leader will ride against the other.
Wiggo is messing with froomes head and the team will start being influenced too. I can see them coming away with nothing at the tdf and the giro is out of wiggos grasp.

 

[sittingbison]

I find this Sir Wiggo quote fascinating:

“...three days out from the race when we arrive in Corsica (ed: after the Giro) and Dave will then have to take a decision about how we do this. In an ideal scenario we will both be in incredible condition and both be capable of winning the Tour."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/wiggins-and-froome-stoke-tour-de-france-row-20130430-2iqf8.html

The bolded offers the exact opposite to what has often been proclaimed, that Nibs, Basso et al were all shot from the Giro in 2012 and thus with Berti baninated and Evans ill Sir Wiggo had no contenders to deal with

 

[armchairclimber]

Well, either this will ruin the kind of tight team ethic that brought about the win last year or, if managed well, the fact that the team has two highly motivated riders on the front as a positive.

Everything points towards Froome being number one but they'll want Wiggins thereabouts in case Froome has a mis-hap.

One of them will probably go at the end of the season.

 

[thehog]

Michelle's head is likely to explode after seeing or reading a couple of these stories. Waiting for her to post up a shot on her twitter account showing all of the Dawg's 2nd place GT jerseys.

Oh, wait... they don't give out jerseys for 2nd place.

Froomitron to go completely nook-a-ler (saying that in my best George Dubya accent) and set off every doping alert in known to mankind. The dude is going to be glowing hotter than a reactor come July if the plan is to decide the leader on the road during the first week.

Bloodbags strapped to his thighs.

This I agree with.

Doping is back and it's 2003 again.

 

[beowulf]

Hard to crash out when you''re on the front the entire race.

Perhaps it is more to do with me hoping that he crashes out (obviously without doing any major damage), because otherwise I think he will win it by a very large margin.

Having said that though, Froome is not a good descender and the other challengers will have to attack him on some of the descents in order to apply some sort of pressure.

 

[webvan]

I find this Sir Wiggo quote fascinating:


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/wiggins-and-froome-stoke-tour-de-france-row-20130430-2iqf8.html

The bolded offers the exact opposite to what has often been proclaimed, that Nibs, Basso et al were all shot from the Giro in 2012 and thus with Berti baninated and Evans ill Sir Wiggo had no contenders to deal with

Last I checked Nibali didn't race the 2012 Giro ?

As for the GT doubles you might want to read this article I posted previously here but that everyone (conveniently) ignored ;-)

-> http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison

As for Wiggins riding the Giro and Tour with his eyes on high overall placings in both events, Kerrison says he is "not interested in anyone saying something can't be done. There are a lot of myths and assumptions. A Grand Tour is very demanding but a month is a long time to recover. The transition from Giro to Tour is very achievable. [Brad] can recon the stages, recover, and focus on doing his job in the Tour, whatever it is."

 

[sittingbison]

Last I checked Nibali didn't race the 2012 Giro ?

As for the GT doubles you might want to read this article I posted previously here but that everyone (conveniently) ignored ;-)

-> http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison

Basso et al did though

Thanks for providing this quote from renowned cycling enthusiast and historian Tim Kerrison:

There are a lot of myths and assumptions. A Grand Tour is very demanding but a month is a long time to recover. The transition from Giro to Tour is very achievable. Brad can recon the stages, recover, and focus on doing his job in the Tour

The Giro/Tour double is a piece of cake for Sir Wiggo. No problemo. After all its just myths and assumptions its unusual. Happens all the time, just ask:
Fausto Coppi (ITA): 1949, 1952
Jacques Anquetil (FRA): 1964
Eddy Merckx (BEL): 1970, 1972, 1974
Bernard Hinault (FRA): 1982, 1985
Stephen Roche (IRL): 1987
Miguel Indurain (ESP): 1992, 1993
Marco Pantani (ITA): 1998


Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Ferminal]

Let's not forget that Hesjedal was on track for the double until he crashed.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Chris Froome has reacted:

There is no I in team. Brad should know that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Let's not forget that Hesjedal was on track for the double until he crashed.

Hesjedal was putting out better numbers pre-Tour than he was pre-Giro, too...

 

[blackcat]

Brad might have been listening to Richie Benaud, we are a team, and we do it my way

 

[coinneach]

This is the main reason why I think Froome will lose the Tour. I think he will crash out on one of the descents.

I would be curious to know what odds you can get on Froom crashing out of the Tour.

I don't think it needs to be on a steep decent....Wiggins crashed out of the tour in 11 on a straight bit of road

Froome's habit of riding with his head down is bound to catch him out sometime, in the tour in 12 Wiggins preferred to have him behind him instead of infront......trouble with that is it gives the wrong idea to the one at the back

 

[webvan]

Basso et al did though

Thanks for providing this quote from renowned cycling enthusiast and historian Tim Kerrison:


The Giro/Tour double is a piece of cake for Sir Wiggo. No problemo. After all its just myths and assumptions its unusual. Happens all the time, just ask:
Fausto Coppi (ITA): 1949, 1952
Jacques Anquetil (FRA): 1964
Eddy Merckx (BEL): 1970, 1972, 1974
Bernard Hinault (FRA): 1982, 1985
Stephen Roche (IRL): 1987
Miguel Indurain (ESP): 1992, 1993
Marco Pantani (ITA): 1998

Nothing to see here, move along.

Right...why don't you read the article instead of dismissing it point blank, obviously these guys have proven they need to be taken seriously. The easy way out of course is to accuse them of doping and being on an undetectable wonder drug...especially since they can't prove they're not doing it. How convenient !

 

[JimmyFingers]

Hesjedal was putting out better numbers pre-Tour than he was pre-Giro, too...

This. Hesjedal was one of the main contenders I thought going into the Tour last year, until Garmin got shredded

 

[hulkgogan]

FoxNews has been running those for over 4 years here in the States.

I haven't lived in North America for 12 years so miss that reference, can you enlighten?

 

[hulkgogan]

i know manchester is the origin indoor boards, and the track hq. i know the music history of manch too.

but thnx for the addition <thumbsup>

Youtube for Wigan Casino, the dancing and music is quite fantastic.

Also The Verve is from Wigan and you know Brad would be down with that.

 

[Pentacycle]

Hesjedal was putting out better numbers pre-Tour than he was pre-Giro, too...

Most important would've been whether Hesjedal was putting out those numbers at the end of the Tour as well.

His TT isn't good, I think it would've been like Contador 2011 or worse. Froome and Pinot would've shredded him.

And realistically, how could Hesjedal be even better than he was pre-Giro, when he could hit 5.9 FTP?

 

[hulkgogan]

You know Brad is taking his trolling to warp factor Lance. Yesterday he said on the telly that he kept it real after the Olympics, didn't "go on any game shows" - total meow at Pendleson.

Sure Brad...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sp...orts-Personality-of-the-Year-after-party.html