reading back I saw a post hinting about Txema (team sky soigneur who died) being used as a guinea pig for doping. is that really possible? what were the results of the autopsy?
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I thougt about that at the begining and I write about that in an spanish forum, when I didnt know all the things that I know now about this sport, and I looked at SKy with some incredulity (despite his results, or his names, then were more modest) and I untrusted of all the strange things in cycling, an even all the current SKy haters denied that possibility.pastronef said:
I dont remember what was what they tell me, but made sense.
The fact is that a lot of the members of the team where afected, riders and no riders, and Txema died for another disease, a fecal bacteria, so that have little sense.
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Dear Wiggo said:
I dont Know if the autopsy was released, but for me it was strange, and I said that, it is the most strage thing for SKY for me, but how SKy in that moment it wanst so important, people didnt speculate a lot. Becouse people speculate when they dont like the result, no more.
Anyway, looking at the forum in spanish those days, I have found and interesting post, that I translate:
More than rare I would say there have been an "oversight " on the part of the doctors who attended him in Seville ...
He began to feel ill on Saturday of the clock, with high fever on Sunday went to the hospital and the hospital sent him back home ( in this case for the hotel) the team decided to remain at the hotel sevilla about days until they recover and is reinstated after the turn .
How at first several riders Garmin team and staying in the same hotel, had symptoms of foodborne illness , no one gave more importance .
On Tuesday still had a fever , he returned to the hospital and returned to largar saying it was mononucleosis .
Ahi several friends ( including the doc) advised him to go to another facility , but he was not bad, just had high fever peaks (reaching 42 º C )
Finally on Wednesday returned to the hospital , where he was left at last entered and began to give evidence , he was feeling good except for the issue of fever.
On Thursday he was being transferred by ambulance to his home because he was "fine" and it was silly to have him so many miles from home , when they could do the tests there.
On Thursday afternoon breakneck pace began to worsen , the kidneys began to fail and then the lung , there he was taken to the ICU , intubated him and said they had sepsis and it was a matter of hours passed away , effectively the Friday afternoon died of multiple organ failure .
When septic shock and multiple organ failure both by very young, very healthy and very athletic you are there is nothing to do. Maybe if they had taken other measures from day 0 things would be different , but this is talking too much ...
It looks like several coincidences happens those days, and no more.
But it is obvious than we talk about a blood infection, and after that event SKY hired Dr Leinders and linked his hire to this, so it is a matter of speculation.
But one thing must be taken into consideration. Those days, and I remenber well, in Andalucia there was a big hot, more than 42 degrees in the shadow, so that means about 50 degrees, and food is more likely to be infected than usual, and cyclist are people prone to get ill.
I was acredited that Vuelta as journalist, and I writted about every day, but I wanst inside the Vuelta the first week. It is a pity.
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pastronef said:
When I read things like that I can't help but think some people need to get out and get some fresh air away from the forum. Some perspective should be needed.
Not just this, but it adds further fuel to the fire that some want Sky to be doping and will come with all sorts of crap and possibilities to try and portray more ammo against them.
We must be in the off season, are we?
gooner said:When I read things like that I can't help but think some people need to get out and get some fresh air away from the forum. Some perspective should be needed.
Not just this, but it adds further fuel to the fire that some want Sky to be doping and will come with all sorts of crap and possibilities to try and portray more ammo against them.
We must be in the off season, are we?
This x 1000. It's as daft as Cycle Chic posting video of Froome accelerating and claiming he had motors in his bike. Baseless conjecture that has no place in a real debate, and just an exercise in painting Sky as black as their shirts.
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gooner said:When I read things like that I can't help but think some people need to get out and get some fresh air away from the forum. Some perspective should be needed.
Not just this, but it adds further fuel to the fire that some want Sky to be doping and will come with all sorts of crap and possibilities to try and portray more ammo against them.
We must be in the off season, are we?
But luckily sky fans leeching on to the most ridiculous anti-sky theories happens all year round.
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whats your point here is, that ppl can't call bizairre theories that dont have zero grounding in reality what they are.
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bizarre
lately leinders has been very much in the news about his activities at rabobank
but observers find it so hard to discover exactly what he did at team sky
if he was involved in a similar 'programme' at team sky............how could it be hushed up?
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Netserk said:Talk about bizarre
lately leinders has been very much in the news about his activities at rabobank
but observers find it so hard to discover exactly what he did at team sky
if he was involved in a similar 'programme' at team sky............how could it be hushed up?
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ebandit said:
How many years did it take before Leinders role at Rabobank became fully known?
How many years has it been since he worked at sky?
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the sceptic said:
Leinders like the Garmin riders stopped doping in 2007.
It was mistake that he's not proud of and he chose the wrong path.
Sky and Garmin reformed a Drug doctor and drug mule.
Great work guys. Vaughters and Brailsford will be part of a special envoy next month heading to the middle east. On the agenda is eradicating conflict in the region and the instillation of world peace.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wiDGqiUflI
Today's stage. Porte would have normally brought Contador back. Dawg didn't look so strong. But think that was the crash.
Waiting for Walsh to accuse Contador of doping.
Today's stage. Porte would have normally brought Contador back. Dawg didn't look so strong. But think that was the crash.
Waiting for Walsh to accuse Contador of doping.
thehog said:
Waititng for Cound to blame Froome's asthma and not taking a puff before the hard effort. And to accuse some anonymous Spanish cyclist of doping.
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