Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I don't think that are too many people who watched at least from Lance rising who believe that cycling has changed and now is clean.I think that nothing has changed and nothing will ever change,everything is the same, they just use different methods these days. I'm more pessimistic than you so i don't trust any of those guys in the pro peloton,nor that i blame them.They are just some peons in bigger game and they do what they have to do to survive in that world.
Well about the Sky bashing i find it too intense

To the bolded: Is that possible? I see cheats always and everywhere (have a look at the politics threads, the soccer one as you know, the NFL one ).
OTOH, there are always some fine people even in high positions or elite sports. They are in a minority of course.
In cycling I trust only those who got a pass from different sources. That being Bassons, Casar, Delion, Moncoutie, and Mottet (even though tested positive once AFAIR), and trainer Paul Koechli.
I think cycling is cleaner than other sports, they try to control the damage, but unluckily Sky and Horner took advantage of this (still going all in, and thus gaining major advantages). Now we are (almost) back to the old days, no doubt.We might have had the cleanest 1 year in cycling somewhere between middle of 2010 and middle of 2011.
Look now: Valv-Piti better than ever, AC back to old plasticzicer form, Rebellin still winning at 40 whatever, Horner OFC, and so on...

 

[Energy Starr]

To the bolded: Is that possible? I see cheats always and everywhere (have a look at the politics threads, the soccer one as you know, the NFL one ).
OTOH, there are always some fine people even in high positions or elite sports. They are in a minority of course.
In cycling I trust only those who got a pass from different sources. That being Bassons, Casar, Delion, Moncoutie, and Mottet (even though tested positive once AFAIR), and trainer Paul Koechli.
I think cycling is cleaner than other sports, they try to control the damage, but unluckily Sky and Horner took advantage of this (still going all in, and thus gaining major advantages). Now we are (almost) back to the old days, no doubt.We might have had the cleanest 1 year in cycling somewhere between middle of 2010 and middle of 2011.
Look now: Valv-Piti better than ever, AC back to old plasticzicer form, Rebellin still winning at 40 whatever, Horner OFC, and so on...

Just when I was about to welcome you to hate Brailsford and Sky for the lying about doping, I read this.....lol

 

[BYOP88]

... and since we are at it: I was here for balance. No more. Game over. I lift my secret I shared with lemoogle, Hitch and SirLes. From the beginning I thought Sky is doping. I just played the game here, since Sky-Bashing was too much. But there is no more holding back. It was a nice game. Had a hard fight to defend the undefendable. But I came up with some good numbers and half arguments.
Personally I feel sorry for Froome that he is used in this dirty game. Someone said plastic-y skin here. It looks really bad. OFC, I don´t believe in miracles going from bottom to first in one summer. Never did, never did with Wiggins, never with Horner getting stronger with the years. It´s all the same. I still have a little faith in the younger riders and those who doesn´t transform from death beds, major sicknesses or any other BS story.

Sure, sure!! Better hurry dude that life boat will be getting full pretty damn quickly with all those Sky fans jumping ship!!!

Come join us on the good ship Horner, no problems here!!!!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Just when I was about to welcome you to hate Brailsford and Sky for the lying about doping, I read this.....lol

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Sure, sure!! Better hurry dude that life boat will be getting full pretty damn quickly with all those Sky fans jumping ship!!!

Come join us on the good ship Horner, no problems here!!!!

Yeah Horner is my favo now... not.
I think Horner and Sky would go together like cheese and wine. The alien ship from outer space combining with plastic-y (wow, I really felt in love with that word; who brought it up again?) Froome. A deadly weapon with multiple re-entry vehicles,... and Horner teaches Brailsford race tactics. Winning GTs by a half dozen per year booked for Sky...

 

[Energy Starr]

Just sarcasm.....welcome to our team.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Just sarcasm.....welcome to our team.

Yeah. Hi... and today Sky uses their guy GThomas in the break for nothing. Such rookies, did only win when they had the upper hand in doping (they call(ed) it marginal gains)... Now that others closed in, it shows their weakness: They don´t know how to manage a GT...
Just have Nieve going yesterday and all would be well for them. GThomas could have used his energy for something useful: Riding Nieve up the finish.

 

[the sceptic]

Whats plan D?

Nieve also seems like a shadow of his euskaltel self. How is that possible?

Sky appear to be scared to dope at the moment.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Whats plan D?

Nieve also seems like a shadow of his euskaltel self. How is that possible?

Sky appear to be scared to dope at the moment.

Wrong tactics. It was kinda suicide (as I said yesterday here) to try both Nieve and GThomas in a doomed break... and then to lose more time after wasting energy for nothing.
If Sky can´t manage marginal in-race-tactics (like knowing whom to save, and who their best current rider in a GT is), how can they do in preperation (a rather difficult task in comparison)? They can´t. They simply dope their riders up, trying to win without tactics but out-watting their opponents... Well, no more.

 

[the sceptic]

Wrong tactics. It was kinda suicide (as I said yesterday here) to try both Nieve and GThomas in a doomed break... and then to lose more time after wasting energy for nothing.
If Sky can´t manage marginal in-race-tactics (like knowing whom to save, and who their best current rider in a GT is), how can they do in preperation (a rather difficult task in comparison)? They can´t. They simply dope their riders up, trying to win without tactics but out-watting their opponents... Well, no more.

Good analysis Foxxy. I agree. Sky have been found out now that they dont have the extra 50 watts anymore.

 

[MBotero]

Wrong tactics. It was kinda suicide (as I said yesterday here) to try both Nieve and GThomas in a doomed break... and then to lose more time after wasting energy for nothing.
If Sky can´t manage marginal in-race-tactics (like knowing whom to save, and who their best current rider in a GT is), how can they do in preperation (a rather difficult task in comparison)? They can´t. They simply dope their riders up, trying to win without tactics but out-watting their opponents... Well, no more.

Maybe they wait for something to happen,some guys to get caught,that Froome statement in Tenerife was kinda strange to say at least.I don't know they are so bad that i can't believe they are the same team anymore,i don't think is just about the tactics or the marginal gains.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It´s simple: Others have caught up, so out-watting opponents doesn´t work anymore, thus their awful marginal in-race tactics are fully exposed. They don´t get away with them anymore...

 

[MBotero]

It´s simple: Others have caught up, so out-watting opponents doesn´t work anymore, thus their awful marginal in-race tactics are fully exposed. They don´t get away with them anymore...

Maybe you are right,but it took way too long for the others to catch up with them,it must be more about it ,we'll see

 

[thehog]

Good analysis Foxxy. I agree. Sky have been found out now that they dont have the extra 50 watts anymore.

They can always take more drugs. I can Froome taking more doping risks. Porte's not willing to take that gamble.

Porte will probably go to GreenEdge and hunt for stage wins.

The Yates brothers are super talented. I hope they stay away from Sky. They have a chance elsewhere.

 

[orbeas]

sky

Whats plan D?

Nieve also seems like a shadow of his euskaltel self. How is that possible?

Sky appear to be scared to dope at the moment.

was to try and win the team prize - but now its plan E

Danny Pate to win the Lanterne Rouge !!!!

 

[Warhawk]

was to try and win the team prize - but now its plan E

Danny Pate to win the Lanterne Rouge !!!!

The headline will read "Sky Caught Doping Danny Pate With Cheeseburgers". Cheese vector doping.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Maybe you are right,but it took way too long for the others to catch up with them,it must be more about it ,we'll see

But there was one... only one... The one and only... may personal favo: Grandpa caught up with them a half year before they knew they could win GTs with marginal gains and zero tactics;
Horner winning no testing ToC at age 391 in May 2011, then Froome came in from outer space, in Septembre 2011.
A strange year that turned everything upside down.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Good analysis Foxxy. I agree. Sky have been found out now that they dont have the extra 50 watts anymore.

Thanks....

 

[Parker]

Wrong tactics. It was kinda suicide (as I said yesterday here) to try both Nieve and GThomas in a doomed break... and then to lose more time after wasting energy for nothing.
If Sky can´t manage marginal in-race-tactics (like knowing whom to save, and who their best current rider in a GT is), how can they do in preperation (a rather difficult task in comparison)? They can´t. They simply dope their riders up, trying to win without tactics but out-watting their opponents... Well, no more.

Wasn't the stage winner in that 'doomed breakaway'? That was what Sky were trying to do. Why would they worry about losing time? You don't actually think they were still riding for GC do you?

 

[MBotero]

But there was one... only one... The one and only... may personal favo: Grandpa caught up with them a half year before they knew they could win GTs with marginal gains and zero tactics;
Horner winning no testing ToC at age 391 in May 2011, then Froome came in from outer space, in Septembre 2011.
A strange year that turned everything upside down.

Lol i forgot about your favorite rider,my bad Now i expect you to step up and defend the poor guy better than you did it with Sky.Time for you to take back all the bad things you said about him,Vuelta is coming,give the guy some support.

 

[DirtyWorks]

They simply dope their riders up, trying to win without tactics but out-watting their opponents..

The Johan Brunyeel school of race strategy is remarkably effective in a game where having the most Watts is critical.

They can't seem to recover from failed primary plans at all.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Lol i forgot about your favorite rider,my bad Now i expect you to step up and defend the poor guy better than you did it with Sky.Time for you to take back all the bad things you said about him,Vuelta is coming,give the guy some support.

I am sorry for you believing in miracles.
But I won´t change with Horner-Baby.
My Top-5 extraterrestre transformations;
1. Horner
2. (tied) Froome & Wiggins
4. Armstrong
5. Rijs

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Wrong tactics. It was kinda suicide (as I said yesterday here) to try both Nieve and GThomas in a doomed break... and then to lose more time after wasting energy for nothing.
If Sky can´t manage marginal in-race-tactics (like knowing whom to save, and who their best current rider in a GT is), how can they do in preperation (a rather difficult task in comparison)? They can´t. They simply dope their riders up, trying to win without tactics but out-watting their opponents... Well, no more.

Their tactics were spot on today. I think anyone would have said their best chance today was to get Nieve and Thomas in the breakaway and have Thomas work for Nieve. Sadly Nieve was beyond dreadful, that was a shocking ride from the guy who you thought could have been a GC contender 24 hours ago.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Their tactics were spot on today. I think anyone would have said their best chance today was to get Nieve and Thomas in the breakaway and have Thomas work for Nieve. Sadly Nieve was beyond dreadful, that was a shocking ride from the guy who you thought could have been a GC contender 24 hours ago.

The shocking news is they wasted a high Nieve placing yesterday, instead of saving Porte and GThomas for him today as domestiques so that Nieve could finish with the lead group (of which he did since at least the Dauphine).

Instead, they wasted everything. As you might know, once guys from the break are caught, they pay for their extra effort (ok, Majka survived. Maybe, just maybe because he rode grouppeto the last two weeks ).

And I tell you again: As long guys from inside the T-20s are in the break, they won´t survive. It´s about WT points for other teams, not joking around with trying to bring out someone new every year to win a GT.

 

[MBotero]

I am sorry for you believing in miracles.
But I won´t change with Horner-Baby.
My Top-5 extraterrestre transformations;
1. Horner
2. (tied) Froome & Wiggins
4. Armstrong
5. Rijs

I was joking,cycling and miracles ,no no that is not possible,these 2 words are in conflict with each other.Still you should give that guy some support,after all not everybody can win a GT at age 391