So....cav outside time limit but race organisers let him stay in TDF

[SirLes]

Banned from commentating would be a fair punishment

Well that is one interpretation of banned from future additions, so perhaps I should reconsider my position.

 

[hrotha]

The rules state they can't disqualify more than 20% of the starters in one single stage, right? Then disqualify up to 20% of them, starting from whoever finishes last. It would be fun in MTFs, sprinters trying to outclimb their colleagues.

 

[Jamsque]

From the official Rule Book:

[...]
Elimination coefficients
Finishing times may be adapted under exceptional situations (weather conditions, blocked roads, serious accident or incident, etc.) according to the assessment of the Stewards’ Committee, with the agreement of the race management. If the percentage of eliminated riders rises above 20% of starters in the stage, permitted finishing times may be increased upon the decision of the Stewards’ Committee, with the agreement of the race management.It is understood that the riders who finish within the new permitted times will qualify for following stages, without a precedent being set for the rest of the race.
[...]

It's really very clear. Go read for yourself if you don't believe me.

 

[The Sheep]

They should make them start the next flat stage with the amount of time they were out as a disadvantage. That would punish all of them instead of just the sprinters.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

He got 12 points with his climbing ability. He would have struggled to win it with just that.

The 268 points he got from his sprinting ability probably helped.

Probably? Thor was down and probably out of the competition. He then went for the big exploit in the mountains and took the points he needed to win. That is how the points jersey should be contested. It should not be a lazy git who gets dragged to the last 500 meters on the flat stages and dogs everything else. The competition would be a hell of a lot more interesting if it was regularly contested by riders like Gilbert instead of sprinters hanging on cars like Cav.

 

[LaFleur]

Wow at the list of riders who missed the time cut. Imagine the ITT without these riders, who would win? No Martin or Spartacus

 

[Aleajactaest]

You are right, the rules should be adhered to.


Oh wait, they were. I suggest you understand the rules before commenting on them.

I do, do you? I understand that the rules "ALLOW" for exceptions. But by definition, that means they admit he was outside the rules.

 

[Ragerod]

I do, do you? I understand that the rules "ALLOW" for exceptions. But by definition, that means they admit he was outside the rules.

They also allow for situations where more than 20% of the riders that started the stage finish outside the time limit in the event the stage is more difficult than they anticipated.

 

[Boardslide]

Probably? Thor was down and probably out of the competition. He then went for the big exploit in the mountains and took the points he needed to win. That is how the points jersey should be contested. It should not be a lazy git who gets dragged to the last 500 meters on the flat stages and dogs everything else. The competition would be a hell of a lot more interesting if it was regularly contested by riders like Gilbert instead of sprinters hanging on cars like Cav.

For goodness sake take your blinkers off & your hate elsewhere, it's been stated numerous times by the officals that there is NO evidence of any hanging onto cars seeing as there is an offical with him at all times when he's off the back of the peleton plus other witnesses, i.e the driver of thr broom wagon. With the new points system he's earned every point towards the green jersey.

 

[El Pistolero]

there were like 88 riders in the bus, including Gilbert. If there are that many riders outside the time limit you should let them stay

Nah, they should throw em all out.

In Driedaagse de Panne, they at least have balls

 

[Grayguard]

I am not a big fan of Cav, but all this bashing of him almost makes me one...
I'll believe the accusations when i see proof - until then it's just pure trash talk from poor losers.

 

[Marva32]

With the UCI now starting to enforce rules which have been on the books, like the seats in the TTT, and with the race in Colorado, there is no way Cavendish should be allowed to continue. Outside the time limit is outside the time limit. If he is allowed to remain, then why bother to have a time limit?

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

With the UCI now starting to enforce rules which have been on the books, like the seats in the TTT, and with the race in Colorado, there is no way Cavendish should be allowed to continue. Outside the time limit is outside the time limit. If he is allowed to remain, then why bother to have a time limit?

Did you bother to read the post at the top of page 6?

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

For goodness sake take your blinkers off & your hate elsewhere, it's been stated numerous times by the officals that there is NO evidence of any hanging onto cars seeing as there is an offical with him at all times when he's off the back of the peleton plus other witnesses,

You mean aside from the other riders who have called him out on it? Aside from the Giro? Aside from California? Right now in The Clinic there is a post from a U.S. domestic pro recounting how his teammate was passed by Cav handing on to a car while laughing at the poor SOBs who were actually pedaling their bikes. That tells me that Cav feels pretty dang comfortable cheating.

 

[mastersracer]

you'd think half the riders in the Tour were child rapists or something with all the hatred and vitriol tossed at them. It's bike racing, chill out.

 

[Marva32]

Did you bother to read the post at the top of page 6?

I hadn't read through the entire thread before I posted. Based on the additional information, I understand why everyone was allowed to remain in the race.

 

[Boardslide]

You mean aside from the other riders who have called him out on it? Aside from the Giro? Aside from California? Right now in The Clinic there is a post from a U.S. domestic pro recounting how his teammate was passed by Cav handing on to a car while laughing at the poor SOBs who were actually pedaling their bikes. That tells me that Cav feels pretty dang comfortable cheating.

Yes the same riders who were seen today partaking of the sticky bottle syndrome & excessive drafting. I think I'll take the word of the officals first before those of sore lossers or someone who thinks they can only win by having the opposition removed from the race.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Cav knew the rules. He knew about the % of riders rule and he knew about the 20 pts deduction rule. Given that, he stayed with the grupetto and took his punishment. Had the rule book said thrown out or thrown out of the green competition, he may have worked harder to make the limit.

You can't change the punishment after the crime's been committed. That would be like me stealing a Mars Bar, thinking it's a risk worth taking, because I'll only get a caution, and then getting sentenced to death for it. I wouldn't have pinched the Mars Bar, if I knew that was the case.

If you don't like the rules, fine, but I don't remember a single poster complaining about them before today's stage. And let's be honest, if Cav had been in the other grupetto, nobody would have. Let's not forget Cav was pretty hard done to earlier in the Tour when he had his intermediate points taken off him for the Thor clash. It was absolutely nothing really, but rules are rules, and he deservedly lost his points because of that.

All in all, fairly pathetic stuff from the usual suspects.

 

[Finn84]

Well, if we would be always strict with time limits, 2006 Tour would have five riders left after Stage 13: Oscar Pereiro, Jens Voigt, Manuel Quinziato, Sylvain Chavanel and Andrey Grivko.

 

[dgodave]

Kick out CANCELLARA! No way should he get a shot at the ITT stage after todays disgrace!
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[King Of The Wolds]

You mean aside from the other riders who have called him out on it? Aside from the Giro? Aside from California? Right now in The Clinic there is a post from a U.S. domestic pro recounting how his teammate was passed by Cav handing on to a car while laughing at the poor SOBs who were actually pedaling their bikes. That tells me that Cav feels pretty dang comfortable cheating.

Well if it's someone on the internet, who claims to be a pro, who claims to have seen Cav do it, then you've convinced me. Honestly, you're starting to really embarass yourself.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Yes the same riders who were seen today partaking of the sticky bottle syndrome & excessive drafting. I think I'll take the word of the officals first before those of sore lossers or someone who thinks they can only win by having the opposition removed from the race.

The California officials nailed that car hugger. Cav is lucky there is no penalty for spitting on the riders he crashes.

 

[Richeypen]

The ignore list is such a good idea

 

[Ragerod]

Cav knew the rules. He knew about the % of riders rule and he knew about the 20 pts deduction rule. Given that, he stayed with the grupetto and took his punishment. Had the rule book said thrown out or thrown out of the green competition, he may have worked harder to make the limit.

I expect he worked really hard to make the time limit considering he's contested every point so far and knew about the points deduction but once they're half way up the Galibier and realise they won't make the time limit, they may as well ease off a little.

 

[thirteen]

If you don't like the rules, fine, but I don't remember a single poster complaining about them before today's stage. And let's be honest, if Cav had been in the other grupetto, nobody would have. Let's not forget Cav was pretty hard done to earlier in the Tour when he had his intermediate points taken off him for the Thor clash. It was absolutely nothing really, but rules are rules, and he deservedly lost his points because of that.

All in all, fairly pathetic stuff from the usual suspects.

i have always had an issue with time-cut rules, especially when they decided to tighten them this year. i think it's b0llocks.