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So what happens if Contador wins by 39 seconds or less?

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SpeedWay said:
That's been tried before with hilarious results(more threads about LA than livestrong.com). This neurological disorder, similar to PBA but acted out via a keyboard and mouse, dictates that you let them entertain themselves. Sadly, there is no approved treatment for their condition. Like some whack jobs on the street soiling their twisted knickers, they are mostly harmless and quite entertaining.

One word of warning. If a circle jerk starts it is better to exit this place before your feet begin sticking to the floor.

If you have exited that many times and you obviously can't stand the majority opinion around here, what sort of mental deficency makes you continually return to comment on it?
You have never posted anything that added to any discussion, in fact you have never posted anything on topic.
 
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nvpacchi said:
Defining what is and what is not controversial is not clearcut. A controversial situation (IMO) arises when something happens to a rider that is out of his control. With that being said, Andy holds a partial responsibility for his chain dropping.

1975 is probably the closest thing to a controversial victory. Eddy Merckx was on his way to a 6th TDF victory, until an enraged fan attacked him on the Puy de Dome, punching him in the kidney. Merckx was so shaken up at the finish, he was supposedly coughing up blood. Bernard Thevenet then crawled into the lead and held it, by a slim margin. AFter the punch Merckx continually gained time on Thevenet, but by Paris, he was still 3 minutes back. To me this is a controversial win. Something completely out of Merckx's control prevented him for likely victory.

Add to that Merckx's crash in the neutralised section of a stage, which resulted I believe in a fractured jaw.
 
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nvpacchi said:
Defining what is and what is not controversial is not clearcut. A controversial situation (IMO) arises when something happens to a rider that is out of his control. With that being said, Andy holds a partial responsibility for his chain dropping.

1975 is probably the closest thing to a controversial victory. Eddy Merckx was on his way to a 6th TDF victory, until an enraged fan attacked him on the Puy de Dome, punching him in the kidney. Merckx was so shaken up at the finish, he was supposedly coughing up blood. Bernard Thevenet then crawled into the lead and held it, by a slim margin. AFter the punch Merckx continually gained time on Thevenet, but by Paris, he was still 3 minutes back. To me this is a controversial win. Something completely out of Merckx's control prevented him for likely victory.

Ah finally... something relevant. Thanks!
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
This isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. If you win by 1 second or 10 minutes you still get to sit on the top step of the podium. Nobody's going to care about a missed shift except the disaffected Lance fans who had an agenda against Contador from the very beginning.
There is absolutely NOTHING controversial about this win. Nothing. Bike races continue even when Saxo Bank thinks they should pause for them to get their sh!t back together.

+1. Many assume that if the race hadn't been neutralized by Spartacus after mass crashes that Menchov would have won. They now postulate that AS would have won if he had remembered how to shift his bike.

They still have to race and the tactics would have changed greatly. Menchov would have a tough time fighting off multiple teams to sustain the lead as opposed to following the tempo they set for him. He's been as much a beneficiary of the "stoppages" as anyone. I avoided saying anything until Moose summed up the crap VS has been selling.
 
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honestly, I see no controversy here, we can talk this over and over again (remember Spa, Arenberg as well), they both had good and bad moments, some piece of bad luck and couple of fortunate moments... now it all comes down to ITT and this is the way it should be as both have been absolutely equal in the mountains, so naturally it is the ITT which decides and Alberto is favourite here. If he wins, it will be totally fair, no matter how big is the difference
it´s as simple as that
 
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What happens if Contador wins by 39 seconds or less?

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that the entire peloton waited for him and his brother into Spa

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that he had Cancellara to propel him over the cobbles, whilst the rest of the current top 10 got stuck behind HIS brother's crash

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that Contador got a mechanical at the end of the cobbles stage, giving Schleck another 15 seconds or so.

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that Contador only attacked ONCE and then handed him the win on the Tourmalet, putting Schlecks name on one the most historic stage profiles ever as a winner atop Tourmalet.

This tour was not lost by an ill-timed mechanical, athough i really do feel sorry for the guy that it did happen at that stage, because he had a good 10-12 metres on contador before that happened, and i dare say would of gained 20 seconds on the stage.

But the facts are, Schleck got plenty of "gifts" this tour. Contador got one, on stage 15. The difference between the two is Contador capitalised on his ONE gift, more than Schleck did on his 2-3 gifts.

Unbelievable tour tho. I have regained respect for Schleck because in the interviews i have watched, he hasn't complained once. He took it on the chin, and got on with his job. Same as Contador when he lost time on the cobbles. Same as Hushovd, when he lost his chance to gain huge points for green on the neutralised Spa stage.

But the facts are that Schleck has had his fair share of luck this tour. He will be lucky to lose the tour by only 39 seconds or less, because i if you go back in time and take away Schleck's "luck", then he actually lost this Tour in Belgium and we'd never even be having this conversation...
 
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Inner Peace said:
What happens if Contador wins by 39 seconds or less?

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that the entire peloton waited for him and his brother into Spa

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that he had Cancellara to propel him over the cobbles, whilst the rest of the current top 10 got stuck behind HIS brother's crash

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that Contador got a mechanical at the end of the cobbles stage, giving Schleck another 15 seconds or so.

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that Contador only attacked ONCE and then handed him the win on the Tourmalet, putting Schlecks name on one the most historic stage profiles ever as a winner atop Tourmalet.

This tour was not lost by an ill-timed mechanical, athough i really do feel sorry for the guy that it did happen at that stage, because he had a good 10-12 metres on contador before that happened, and i dare say would of gained 20 seconds on the stage.

But the facts are, Schleck got plenty of "gifts" this tour. Contador got one, on stage 15. The difference between the two is Contador capitalised on his ONE gift, more than Schleck did on his 2-3 gifts.

Unbelievable tour tho. I have regained respect for Schleck because in the interviews i have watched, he hasn't complained once. He took it on the chin, and got on with his job. Same as Contador when he lost time on the cobbles. Same as Hushovd, when he lost his chance to gain huge points for green on the neutralised Spa stage.

But the facts are that Schleck has had his fair share of luck this tour. He will be lucky to lose the tour by only 39 seconds or less, because i if you go back in time and take away Schleck's "luck", then he actually lost this Tour in Belgium and we'd never even be having this conversation...

Great post!
 
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Inner Peace said:
What happens if Contador wins by 39 seconds or less?

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that the entire peloton waited for him and his brother into Spa

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that he had Cancellara to propel him over the cobbles, whilst the rest of the current top 10 got stuck behind HIS brother's crash

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that Contador got a mechanical at the end of the cobbles stage, giving Schleck another 15 seconds or so.

- Schleck can thank his lucky stars that Contador only attacked ONCE and then handed him the win on the Tourmalet, putting Schlecks name on one the most historic stage profiles ever as a winner atop Tourmalet.

This tour was not lost by an ill-timed mechanical, athough i really do feel sorry for the guy that it did happen at that stage, because he had a good 10-12 metres on contador before that happened, and i dare say would of gained 20 seconds on the stage.

But the facts are, Schleck got plenty of "gifts" this tour. Contador got one, on stage 15. The difference between the two is Contador capitalised on his ONE gift, more than Schleck did on his 2-3 gifts.

Unbelievable tour tho. I have regained respect for Schleck because in the interviews i have watched, he hasn't complained once. He took it on the chin, and got on with his job. Same as Contador when he lost time on the cobbles. Same as Hushovd, when he lost his chance to gain huge points for green on the neutralised Spa stage.

But the facts are that Schleck has had his fair share of luck this tour. He will be lucky to lose the tour by only 39 seconds or less, because i if you go back in time and take away Schleck's "luck", then he actually lost this Tour in Belgium and we'd never even be having this conversation...

Nuff said...

By the way... 39 seconds gap... :D
 
Out of Contador's 3 wins only one is legitimate or undisputed. Although if Conatdor had not been excluded in 2008 he would have won which makes up for 2007. I wonder what will happen to him next year to make up for this years win he did not deserve.
 
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Old&slow said:
Out of Contador's 3 wins only one is legitimate or undisputed. Although if Conatdor had not been excluded in 2008 he would have won which makes up for 2007. I wonder what will happen to him next year to make up for this years win he did not deserve.

Sorry man, but this one is not disputed. He won. Read the quoted post above yours and refute those points if you seriously believe what you wrote and are doing anything but posting sour grapes...oh wait, you are just posting sour grapes.
 
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Old&slow said:
Out of Contador's 3 wins only one is legitimate or undisputed. Although if Conatdor had not been excluded in 2008 he would have won which makes up for 2007. I wonder what will happen to him next year to make up for this years win he did not deserve.
man, you are ridiculous
 

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Old&slow said:
Out of Contador's 3 wins only one is legitimate or undisputed. Although if Conatdor had not been excluded in 2008 he would have won which makes up for 2007. I wonder what will happen to him next year to make up for this years win he did not deserve.


Which "win" is the legit one?

Rasmussen's Gift or NeedleGate or Dropped Chain Attack?
 
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Which "win" is the legit one?

Rasmussen's Gift or NeedleGate or Dropped Chain Attack?

Old&slow was posting sour grapes, you are posting stupid grapes, and I didn't even know those existed until now...
 
Thoughtforfood said:
Sorry man, but this one is not disputed. He won. Read the quoted post above yours and refute those points if you seriously believe what you wrote and are doing anything but posting sour grapes...oh wait, you are just posting sour grapes.

Schleck can thank his lucky stars that the entire peloton waited for him and his brother into Spa
Well, Contador was also trailing the front group, which included Menchov. The biggest loser now is Menchov who would have won his first tour.
 
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Contador would look a total boob right about now if he hadn't attacked.

(Though I think he could've taken a few seconds on Schleck on the Tourmalet if he needed to.)
 
Old&slow said:
Out of Contador's 3 wins only one is legitimate or undisputed. Although if Conatdor had not been excluded in 2008 he would have won which makes up for 2007. I wonder what will happen to him next year to make up for this years win he did not deserve.

Even that's one more than Lance, when the feds get through with him.:)
 
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Old&slow said:
Out of Contador's 3 wins only one is legitimate or undisputed. Although if Conatdor had not been excluded in 2008 he would have won which makes up for 2007. I wonder what will happen to him next year to make up for this years win he did not deserve.

Hmmm, sour grapes... me likes.
 
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So what happens if Contador wins by 39 seconds or less?

wayfool said:
Will this be the most controversial win ever?

No.. in some point.. on the finish line... why do they TIME difference between the riders 0 seconds when the other cross the finish line first..

This is 39 seconds gap.. it is still a GAP
 
It's not the ideal way to win and I'm sure Contador will agree with that, and the gap being exactly 39 seconds makes it kind of funny, but the simple fact is without Chaingate the Tourmalet stage would have been different, so we don't know what would have happened.