Sockpuppet speculation

[Berzin]

What happened to Polish?

Polish is infecting the Velonews website until his three-month ban is over.

Here is an example of the unmitigated crap he's posting over there-

http://forums.competitor.com/topic/14826

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Creation date: 14th Sept, 2012. Here's post #1&2 of the new poster:





FYI: Jane Aubrey is the Australian regional editor for CN. This is what I would term "troll by username".

If you are trying to say that Jane is this user, you couldn't be more wrong.

How about a little less jumping to conclusions, folks?

Susasn

 

[the big ring]

If you are trying to say that Jane is this user, you couldn't be more wrong.

How about a little less jumping to conclusions, folks?

Susasn

Just as LauraLyn was NOT Laura Lynn (as I so conclusively pointed out above), even though a number of people claimed as such, I am saying I do not believe Jack Aubrey is related to ANY Aubrey, let alone Jane. But using names associated with the site or its content to create new accounts.

I am saying it was a user created just prior to LL's ban who didn't post until just after LL's ban. And it posts in a similar way with similar familiarity to subject matter and same threads as LL's prime interest.

I look forward to being proven wrong.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

You know, sometimes there just are people with a differing viewpoint from yours. Accept it.

And don't look for a conspiracy under every rock.

Susan

 

[Hugh Januss]

Polish is infecting the Velonews website until his three-month ban is over.

Here is an example of the unmitigated crap he's posting over there-

http://forums.competitor.com/topic/14826

Wow, there is just no quit in our boy Polish is there. Of course there is also no think or reason or intelligence either.

 

[Tinman]

Did you ever send a message to the owner of that website?

I did. Here's the reply:

No, I didn't, had not crossed my mind, good idea. A PM via forum perhaps better still.

Did you ever ask her for her motivations though, to be posting that quantity and time spent, that for me is just as if not more interesting.

 

[ebandit]

award

What happened to Polish?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11179&page=19

polish was awarded a 3 month break from the madness of the forum by palmerq

last report was he is currently hiding in the basement of mellow jonny's a claim that can not be verified

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

If you are trying to say that Jane is this user, you couldn't be more wrong.

How about a little less jumping to conclusions, folks?

Susasn

No, that is quite clearly what he is not saying.

What he is saying is that the trolls are taking on the names of real people ie LauraLyn, Jack/Jane Aubrey, which adds an extra layer of confusion.

It's a bit ironic to tell people that just because someone disagree with you doesn't make them a troll/sockpuppet and then accuse anyone who disagrees with you about this of being a conspiracy theorist.

Exactly, and we already see the new version of LL popping up today. I honestly don't think anyone at CN gives a good damn whether these forums are bombarded with trash, or made unusable. So long as the page views stay high.

Which is why Polish posting under a new name is ignored by the mods. To be fair, he's not exactly a master of disguise, so it isn't hard to work out his new ID.

Moderation by business model - keep the hits and page views high.

CN doesn't care and doesn't see it as a problem - unless of course it were you, I or another regular poster doing it in which case we'd be banned so fast it wouldn't even be funny. One set of rules for one type of poster and another for everyone else.

 

[Benotti69]

Polish is infecting the Velonews website until his three-month ban is over.

Here is an example of the unmitigated crap he's posting over there-

http://forums.competitor.com/topic/14826

I think Mods should read what he is posting over there before allowing Polsih back in here. He is a full on troll.

But i think that Mods should be watching the clinic a little bit closer and taking note of the new posters and where they are posting. The majority come bumblin straight into the Armstrong related threads and never visit other parts till it is pointed out that they are stuck in the Armstrong threads trolling.

The trolling has also taken on a new guise in the form of lengthening threads to unreadability.

But easiest way is to report these trolls and make the reports short and to the point.

 

[Tinman]

what's the difference between a troll and a naive new poster keen to be part of the forum?

AND THEREFORE

should the forum be there for the seriously informed only?

AND IF THE FORUM IS FOR EVERYONE

How does one identify malicious trolls aiming to drown out good postings from the naive new poster?

OR

Do we set up special threads for the seriously informed

 

[Elagabalus]

Even with our most prolific posters I have never seen such an "onslaught" like Laura's. Usually, people post around one or two threads but Laura was banging away on the clinic top ten threads at all times. No time for sleep for our Laura.


P.S. It ain't Laura Lynn Jansen. It's this Laura

http://uqurkqay.typepad.com/blog/2011/06/het-beste-van-laura-lynn.html

I'm pretty sure her avatar was an album cover or something. Same pink outfit, same 80's hair ...

 

[the big ring]

I'm pretty sure her avatar was an album cover or something. Same pink outfit, same 80's hair ...

LL's avatar was Leontien van Moorsel. Dutch super star road rider.

 

[Benotti69]

what's the difference between a troll and a naive new poster keen to be part of the forum?

AND THEREFORE

should the forum be there for the seriously informed only?

AND IF THE FORUM IS FOR EVERYONE

How does one identify malicious trolls aiming to drown out good postings from the naive new poster?

OR

Do we set up special threads for the seriously informed

If you could not see that LL was a troll then i cannot help you.

 

[thirteen]

i slapped someone down (wrongly) in another thread for keeping LL alive by asking questions about its identity.

can we please let it go now?

discussing LL only keeps him/her/it alive and encourages the other bots... trust me, when the UCI decision comes, there will be more than enough other posters to speculate about.

 

[sublimit]

Not too many people will start threads demanding that obnoxious person back but I might be wrong.

Thanks whoever banned her.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Well, I will be probably be banned for this, but I am not a prolific contributor so it won't be much of a loss ...

I reported one of the new ID's yesterday

In part i was told in the reply. ". ... Forum members are showing an increasing intolerance and not accepting any
contrary views at all. *THAT is what is not acceptable. ..."

I find this an odd view of what is going here and what some of these "bots" can do to the place, but so be it.

See you all.

It is pretty disturbing that a moderator chooses to dismiss any concern about sockpuppets as either intolerance or conspiracy theory.

Anyone would think that the mods concerned don't care, welcome the sockpuppets, or agree with them (afterall, we like people who think like us).

 

[spetsa]

It is pretty disturbing that a moderator chooses to dismiss any concern about sockpuppets as either intolerance or conspiracy theory.

Anyone would think that the mods concerned don't care, welcome the sockpuppets, or agree with them (afterall, we like people who think like us).

Over the years, I have not contributed much to this forum other than mostly smart a** comments that probably pi**ed some off, but I did enjoy the fact that SOME forum members could contribute to MY knowledge and understandng of many things. Thanks to you all. This has come to a screaching halt in the recent past and I no longer feel a need to spend time here, and will not be doing so. I understand that most of the moderators are volunteers and I thank those of you who choose to do the work, but it seems some are a bit pompous and b*tchy way too often, while ignoring the obvious, which is stated regulary by many forum users. The agenda is tough to understand.

Susan, please delete my account and all posts that I have made over the years.
THIS FORUM BLOWS!

 

[ebandit]

ebandit ( sockpuppet ) my final word

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that's me............no filmstar looks but there you go...that's life

i would appreciate if members stopped suggesting that i am other than a genuine forum member.....................not a returning banned member
......and nobodies sockpuppet

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Anyone would think that the mods concerned don't care, welcome the sockpuppets, or agree with them (afterall, we like people who think like us).

Half the forum accuses the mods and CN of being obviously pro-Armstrong. The other half accuses of a strong anti-Armstrong bias.

I figure that means we are doing something right.

You have no idea what I think, please don't attempt to read my mind.

Susan

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

That doesn't mean that half the forum aren't right.

I don't need to read your mind, I just look at your actions and inaction and that tells me what I need to know.

And guess what - there is a problem with sockpuppets, bots and trolls which is driving people away, and when the problem is raised and the lack of action queried, those who are concerned are accused of being intolerant conspiracy theorists.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

what's the difference between a troll and a naive new poster keen to be part of the forum?

AND THEREFORE

should the forum be there for the seriously informed only?

AND IF THE FORUM IS FOR EVERYONE

How does one identify malicious trolls aiming to drown out good postings from the naive new poster?

OR

Do we set up special threads for the seriously informed

You ask a good question - and then come up with an absurd answer.

If someone is genuinely a newbie then they often ask good questions or repeat untrue PR spin.
If they are given the correct answer and ignore it to repeat something else - that shows they are here to troll and not here to learn. Pretty simple.


Some of the best questions and most interesting observations come from low post count or 'new' fans to the sport.
In short, its not the question it is what they do with the answer that reveals their intentions.

 

[Microchip]

like many others, i welcome the LL virus afflicting the board for weeks on end finally controlled.

RaceRadio needs to be informed!!!!!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

1) We all need to be a lot more vocal about reporting things;

2) Race Radio gave up too easily, I think, but hopefully he'll be back.

For some reason I assumed the mods knew about the outing of RR but, because of the way it was done, they were okay with it. It wasn't until today, when I took the time to really think about it, that I knew they couldn't be aware of it because, if they were, there's no way they'd be okay with it, no matter how it was done.

The history of this forum has been one of constant trolling to try to disrupt it. It's never been successful and it wasn't this time, either. This one just took a little longer to deal with than most, because he/she was a little more clever than they usually are.

EDIT: Or, to be fair, let's say the troll was successful in disrupting it. His/her success was short lived, however. It's up to us, the regular posters, to make sure the disruption isn't permanent like his/her ban.

I posted this in the "this forum blows" thread but maybe it belongs here also.
RaceRadio's real life info was sold out to people I am sure he did not want to have that info,,,,, (Tim Herman). Previous to what LauraLyn done.

The person who did such a thing is still a active POSTING member here at CN-forums.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

That doesn't mean that half the forum aren't right.

I don't need to read your mind, I just look at your actions and inaction and that tells me what I need to know.

And guess what - there is a problem with sockpuppets, bots and trolls which is driving people away, and when the problem is raised and the lack of action queried, those who are concerned are accused of being intolerant conspiracy theorists.

There are also those who are driven away by the extremely aggressive postings by those on "your" side of the argument.

This forum is open to all points of view, and they are all to be expressed politely. Many users are so convinced of the rightness of their opinions that they believe perhaps the rules don't apply to them, or that "if you aren't for me you are against me".

The forum management does not work that way. We honestly do not care what opinion you express, we care how you express it.

Perhaps it is time to really crack down, and not on those-who-are-called-trolls-because-they-don't-agree-with-me posters.

Susan

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I posted this in the "this forum blows" thread but maybe it belongs here also.
RaceRadio's real life info was sold out to people I am sure he did not want to have that info,,,,, (Tim Herman). Previous to what LauraLyn done.

The person who did such a thing is still a active POSTING member here at CN-forums.

What happened in that situation happened outside of the forum.

Susan