Something's Beginning to Stink

[IndianCyclist]

yes I know their progression, that is what I am questioning. And the wins are from 2013 only.

The change due to a guy called Gerald Ciolek and the miraculous win in San Remo.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

that is a flattering review doc, but i don't think cycle chic was fishing for compliments so you might as well stick to patting yourself on the back.

See, there you go, thats awful.

I am not saying its your fault - its comes back to poor moderation and the standard of trolling has dropped accordingly.
All you did was snip a post then made up something in an attempt at an ad hominen. At best, you are going to hook me. While with CCs post there was enough there to have lots take a nibble at.

Your whole format has become stale - its essentially the same 3 points and you repeat it in every thread.

I am a little dissappointed you did not ask for a source doc

But I agree, this is pretty stupid. I should say, I find this extremely stupid.

However the globalization of cycling is on the agenda of the UCI as a whole, I would not question the MTN season as a spearhead of that.

Same format as sniper - its just poor.

To the highlighted, somewhere I can hear Cyclingchic go nom, nom nom.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Same format as sniper - its just poor.

Come on:

Dont just read what you want to read. Hell, I should skip this topic for instance. From now on I will.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Come on:

Dont just read what you want to read. Hell, I should skip this topic for instance. From now on I will.

But see it isn't really humorous. Its just repetition of the same line.
And in particular since you are obviously capable - your Dr Mastercard was excellent.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

But see it isn't really humorous. Its just repetition of the same line.
And in particular since you are obviously capable - your Dr Mastercard was excellent.

Thanks mate, I am gonna try better.

But we DO agree on this topic. This topic blows.

Group hug.

 

[horsinabout]

To what end? I don't imagine there's much in the way of a market in South Africa. After all South Africa has a whole host of political and economic problems and it isn't the most stable place in the world right now; also, even if South Africa was a fully developed, stable country and the world economy was in a period of boom, then there would still be a massive stumbling block in that cycling would lag far behind rugby, cricket and football in both capturing the attention and money of people as well as sponsors and investors.

So we have a country where there isn't very much money to go around right now and the sport would be fourth at best in the pecking order. I don't see it happening.

Bums on bikes? Just a hunch. Cycling is an industry, a bike sales industry as much as it is a sport and where there are bums and roads and the need for green transport......etc...etc....etc

Thinking more on this post, might be worth pointing out that here in the UK, we are in one of the worst recessions in pre war history, we have had a decade of fighting the "war on terror" yet we have still managed to host an Olympic games, and produce one of the best ever medal halls in the history of sport in this country. Cycling was one of the forerunners in the medal hall and it is supposed to be a minority sport in the UK, and has gone from zero to hero. Behind the achievement of cycling success and the promotion of the bike industry has been the very high profile sponsoring of a professional road cycling team.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Amazing what a big cash injection will do. See also BMC, from little to no results as a Pro Continental team to the team of Cadel Evans and nobody else, to a year later one of the biggest teams in the peloton.

this is the answer to my query. I was asking how they gained the Pro conti licence - I did not realise it wasn't on merit

 

[Benotti69]

To what end? I don't imagine there's much in the way of a market in South Africa. After all South Africa has a whole host of political and economic problems and it isn't the most stable place in the world right now; also, even if South Africa was a fully developed, stable country and the world economy was in a period of boom, then there would still be a massive stumbling block in that cycling would lag far behind rugby, cricket and football in both capturing the attention and money of people as well as sponsors and investors.

So we have a country where there isn't very much money to go around right now and the sport would be fourth at best in the pecking order. I don't see it happening.

South Africa hosted the World Cup. Who paid for that? Where did the money to buy the right host the WC come from, the build the stadiums etc?

The cost for a cycling team is not a lot compared to big sports like, Football, tennis or Rugby.

 

[martinvickers]

It actually goes further than this, plenty of people I know resent their clubs players going off to play for England. Scholes for example went up in a mates estimation (hard from where he started but..) when he quit international football.

Froome certainly hasn't connected with the UK population at large the same way Wiggins and Cavendish have. The latter two have won the last two Sports Personalties of the Year award, Murray will win it by a mile this year, but even if Froome wins the Worlds as well as the TDF he still won't be in the running.

He'll win, but not by a mile. The Farah double will also be pushed hard, and one can't discount the ruggers for Halfpenny. I suspect Murray will win, and by some distance, but he won't get the walkover Wiggins did.

 

[martinvickers]

It actually goes further than this, plenty of people I know resent their clubs players going off to play for England. Scholes for example went up in a mates estimation (hard from where he started but..) when he quit international football.

Froome certainly hasn't connected with the UK population at large the same way Wiggins and Cavendish have. The latter two have won the last two Sports Personalties of the Year award, Murray will win it by a mile this year, but even if Froome wins the Worlds as well as the TDF he still won't be in the running.

Plus, one must remember. Froome won a big Race. Wiggins broke a century old curse. Two rather different things in the GB sports fan mindset. If I had to guess - I'd say Froome will make top 5. Murray, Farah, defo 1-2, after that, a mugs game, especially given the esoteric voting panel - some women will have to be nominated - so Murray, Farah, then perm Froome, Ohurougu, David Florence, Ainslie, Halfpenny, perhaps Dujardin, Ian Bell, Justin Rose.

When RTÉ get there turn, hard to look past cycling - Martyn Irvine (my choice), Dan Martin, Nico Roche, though no doubt some Clare hurler, or Anthony Nash will probably nick it - Michael McKillopp might be a good long odds each way - irish have had a poor golf, soccer and rugby year, so Martyn and Dan are as good a bet as any.

 

[proffate]

I don't think it's any secret that grand tour wildcards are based on things besides sporting merit. The protour teams are there for sporting merit, the pro conti teams are there for having the right nationality or the right public interest story.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't think it's any secret that grand tour wildcards are based on things besides sporting merit. The protour teams are there for sporting merit, the pro conti teams are there for having the right nationality or the right public interest story.

Where do MTN fit in on nationalisty (South African) or public interest story?

I guess they bought their way in.

 

[gooner]

Plus, one must remember. Froome won a big Race. Wiggins broke a century old curse. Two rather different things in the GB sports fan mindset. If I had to guess - I'd say Froome will make top 5. Murray, Farah, defo 1-2, after that, a mugs game, especially given the esoteric voting panel - some women will have to be nominated - so Murray, Farah, then perm Froome, Ohurougu, David Florence, Ainslie, Halfpenny, perhaps Dujardin, Ian Bell, Justin Rose.

It would have been interesting to see how Wiggins would have got on in this if for argument's sake we take his success last year and put it against Murray's now. I doubt Wiggins would have won.

When RTÉ get there turn, hard to look past cycling - Martyn Irvine (my choice), Dan Martin, Nico Roche, though no doubt some Clare hurler, or Anthony Nash will probably nick it - Michael McKillopp might be a good long odds each way - irish have had a poor golf, soccer and rugby year, so Martyn and Dan are as good a bet as any.

Heffernan is a banker for this. Before his world's win, I was thinking myself a while back Dan would have been in with a great shout but not now. Dan would had to have won the worlds himself to be in with a chance and that still probably wouldn't get him over the line.

As for Cork/Clare, don't mention that to me, great game but bad memories. I don't think Nash would have been in with a chance. He's a brilliant professional being an understudy to Cusack(a guy I have strong dislike for) for so long and he showed great patience in waiting for his chance. Colm Galvin with Clare would be one to stand out for them.

 

[martinvickers]

It would have been interesting to see how Wiggins would have got on in this if for argument's sake we take his success last year and put it against Murray's now. I doubt Wiggins would have won.



Heffernan is a banker for this. Before his world's win, I was thinking myself a while back Dan would have been in with a great shout but not now. Dan would had to have won the worlds himself to be in with a chance and that still probably wouldn't get him over the line.

As for Cork/Clare, don't mention that to me, great game but bad memories. I don't think Nash would have been in with a chance. He's a brilliant professional being an understudy to Cusack(a guy I have strong dislike for) for so long and he showed great patience in waiting for his chance. Colm Galvin with Clare would be one to stand out for them.

I fear my own anti-walking biases blind side me to Rob a bit, but your probably right. for the record, much as I love gah (Football more than hurling), my heart always sinks a little at the number of GAA nominees...always strikes me as insular, like AFL or NFL(US not GAA) - mind you, had An Dun lifted Sam, my feelings might have been very different ;-) no fear of that any time soon, mind.

 

[martinvickers]

It would have been interesting to see how Wiggins would have got on in this if for argument's sake we take his success last year and put it against Murray's now. I doubt Wiggins would have won.



Heffernan is a banker for this. Before his world's win, I was thinking myself a while back Dan would have been in with a great shout but not now. Dan would had to have won the worlds himself to be in with a chance and that still probably wouldn't get him over the line.

As for Cork/Clare, don't mention that to me, great game but bad memories. I don't think Nash would have been in with a chance. He's a brilliant professional being an understudy to Cusack(a guy I have strong dislike for) for so long and he showed great patience in waiting for his chance. Colm Galvin with Clare would be one to stand out for them.

What, Wiggo Tour/Olympic TT v Murray Wimbledon/Olympic/USOpen?

hmm...poor sue barker might have just expired on stage from the sheer orgasmic happiness of it all. She's not doing BBC Spoty this year, I think -missing out on giving it to murray after wimbledon - there's karma kicking you

 

[sniper]

What, Wiggo Tour/Olympic TT v Murray Wimbledon/Olympic/USOpen?

hmm...poor sue barker might have just expired on stage from the sheer orgasmic happiness of it all. She's not doing BBC Spoty this year, I think -missing out on giving it to murray after wimbledon - there's karma kicking you

For the love of god get that woman off the tube already.
Ssympathetic and all that, but completely lacks the english sense of humor which makes english tv so enjoyable.
and can somebody whipe that perennial smile off her face?

 

[Alphabet]

South Africa hosted the World Cup. Who paid for that? Where did the money to buy the right host the WC come from, the build the stadiums etc?

The cost for a cycling team is not a lot compared to big sports like, Football, tennis or Rugby.

South Africa always has the resources to host fantastic world cups in football, cricket, and rugby. Because the people actually care about those sports, and because ordinary people care, rich people care, too. Those sports have been huge there for well over a century.

Cycling does not compare. And having said that cricket is a sport with a huge following and a proud historical presence and tradition in South Africa, the South African Cricket Board (CSA) is on the verge of insolvency if the Indian cricket team don't visit South Africa later this year. So despite the obvious advantages cricket has over cycling in South Africa, it's still on the precipice. If such a prominent sport can run into extremely difficult financial times, what does that mean for cycling, then?

 

[MarkvW]

South Africa always has the resources to host fantastic world cups in football, cricket, and rugby. Because the people actually care about those sports, and because ordinary people care, rich people care, too. Those sports have been huge there for well over a century.

Cycling does not compare. And having said that cricket is a sport with a huge following and a proud historical presence and tradition in South Africa, the South African Cricket Board (CSA) is on the verge of insolvency if the Indian cricket team don't visit South Africa later this year. So despite the obvious advantages cricket has over cycling in South Africa, it's still on the precipice. If such a prominent sport can run into extremely difficult financial times, what does that mean for cycling, then?

Cycling doesn't have a gate and it has relatively few events, while on any given day, a a multitude of football games are being played and lots of people are paying for entry.

The good old boys who run cycling don't want to broaden it out into "open" style events held in multiple places on at the same time. They have focused on creating a relatively tiny Pro Tour element and a "second tier" Continental element. I reckon that they do this because they want to build public interest around "stars," and stars bring in advertiser and TV revenue. The UCI craving for stars clearly was one factor that enabled McBruggen's support of the Armstrong and his accomplices.

But I don't see cycling on the precipice at all. As somebody noted above, cycling doesn't require a lot of overhead. The sport just contracts when times are bad.

 

[martinvickers]

For the love of god get that woman off the tube already.
Ssympathetic and all that, but completely lacks the english sense of humor which makes english tv so enjoyable.
and can somebody whipe that perennial smile off her face?

I'm not sure if it's the French open in 77 (?) or Cliff's 'attentions' but she's been smiling non-stop more or less since I've seen her on the telly.

She'll be replaced by Gabby Yorath/Logan. Not as good at her own sport, but much better at presenting them, genuinely very good - hell, she even made Denise Lewis look good at the last athletics worlds...

 

[del1962]

I'm not sure if it's the French open in 77 (?) or Cliff's 'attentions' but she's been smiling non-stop more or less since I've seen her on the telly.

She'll be replaced by Gabby Yorath/Logan. Not as good at her own sport, but much better at presenting them, genuinely very good - hell, she even made Denise Lewis look good at the last athletics worlds...

Did Gabby ever do a sport, her dad was a half decent footballer even if he did play for Leeds, and her hubby a rugby player of modest talents.

 

[Cyivel]

Did Gabby ever do a sport, her dad was a half decent footballer even if he did play for Leeds, and her hubby a rugby player of modest talents.

She was a rhythmic gymnast!

 

[martinvickers]

Did Gabby ever do a sport, her dad was a half decent footballer even if he did play for Leeds, and her hubby a rugby player of modest talents.

Represented Wales at CWG as rythmic gymnast. Retired due to sciatica. And, apparenlty, former Rose of Tralee contestant. My wife's cousin was one of those. Dear god almighty, but it's an unholy thing, the Rose. The real life "lovely girls" competition for Fr Ted fans

 

[del1962]

She was a rhythmic gymnast!

Represented Wales at CWG as rythmic gymnast. Retired due to sciatica. And, apparenlty, former Rose of Tralee contestant. My wife's cousin was one of those. Dear god almighty, but it's an unholy thing, the Rose. The real life "lovely girls" competition for Fr Ted fans

Never new that, the only thing I knew about her was she studied in Newcastle, as she ended up supporting the greatest football team ever(even if their results don't always show this)

 

[martinvickers]

Never new that, the only thing I knew about her was she studied in Newcastle, as she ended up supporting the greatest football team ever(even if their results don't always show this)

looked it up, came 8th at the commonwealths, a limited competition - so not terribly good, but not awful either. But hardly her greatest talent.

 

[Cycle Chic]

iMPEY

orica greenedge, simon gerrans and now daryl impey in yellow ! somethings beginning to stink in this tdf just like last year.

Didn't someone predict a british, african, australian sudden rise of success to attract more revenue for cycling ?? Sky did it for the british and now we have the aussies ttt win and gerrans stage win, and now the first african to wear the yellow jersey !

Something stinks !

who would like to congratulate me ??????????