Something's Beginning to Stink

[Don't be late Pedro]

Can't believe "the day cycling died" thread was shut down.

I am sure you will get another chance next year. And the next...

 

[thehog]

I am sure you will get another chance next year. And the next...

Nah. I'm sure the Dawg will kill cycling again before the Tour is out.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Can't believe "the day cycling died" thread was shut down.

Well, if cycling died then there would be limited benefit to a site called, say, CYCLINGnews.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, if cycling died then there would be limited benefit to a site called, say, CYCLINGnews.

Psst. You said "CYLINGnews"

 

[TheBean]

Sorry, CC, but there are too many holes in a conspiracy theory.

If tapping into a market were the root of a conspiracy, the UCI would never have granted ProTour status to a team from Kazakhstan while passing by opportunities in nations with higher GDP's.

The theory does have legs when considering what Armstrong did for the USA in terms of casual cycling fans and weekend warriors, but Kazakhstan is the antithesis.

They took the jersey of Rasmussen during the race, so they have balls enough to take a scandal to the top.

Even Virenque, the local hero, was booted. So national nepotism seems unlikely, as well.

I think the success from Australia (strong track tradition, former TdF champion, many participants and participations) and South Africa (developed country with strong European roots in its civilization) are a testament to the growing world appeal of cycling and new talent pools from which to draw.

Looking at the list of nations for the riders in the Young Rider classification will show the diversity of nation of origin for the future of the sport.

 

[sniper]

What?
During your ban, did you lose your ability to spot the Vaughters Jedi PR BS stuff that is so obviously happening? Or did you get bought off and receive a Garmin device?

This is exactly how it going down.
JV was lying when he said he hated Sky - he loves them. And you fell for it.
Who got between $1 million and $2million for Wiggins from Sky? JV of course, cash money too. He even bought himself a new wife.

Dan Martin is winning because he can be British or Irish - at the moment he is Irish to keep McQuaid happy, but watch him find his British passport if Cookson (who is funded by Sky, like Walsh & soon Kimmage and JV who got $6 million for Wiggins) gets elected.

And with all that crazy money, (Sky gave JV $9 million cash for Wiggins!!) (OMG) - JV can buy all the wins he wants and because he is playing ball with the UCI Dan wont go positive.

Remember Liege????
What happened at the end???????? The Panda!!!!!!

Who do you think was in the Panda outfit??? JV of course.
We know the Katusha guys will accept money for a L-B-L win.

Check the foto - look at JRods handlebars. You can clearly see JRod has his paypal account written there.
And JV is taking it down and wiring it through becaue he has loads of money - I believe he got $1100 million from Sky for Wiggins.
They are calling it the PayPal Panda now.

Its so obvious I have to add an extra O - OOMG

jv could tell you he was in that pandasuit one day, and backpaddle on it the next.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Sorry, CC, but there are too many holes in a conspiracy theory.

If tapping into a market were the root of a conspiracy, the UCI would never have granted ProTour status to a team from Kazakhstan while passing by opportunities in nations with higher GDP's.

Huh? What makes you so certain Kazakhstan isn't a golden opportunity for cycling? The government is apparently supporting the sport. Lots of money for everyone at the UCI when governments are giving it to you. You may recall they built an impressive velodrome in the nation recently.

Pat Mcquaid announced a 1.2 classification race! They've got a UCI satellite office in country too! http://www.proteam-astana.com/en/news/tour-of-almaty

Cha-ching!!!!!

The theory does have legs when considering what Armstrong did for the USA in terms of casual cycling fans and weekend warriors, but Kazakhstan is the antithesis.

Bzzt! Try again. They don't want or need cycling participants. They want money and the Kazaks give it.

I think the success from Australia (strong track tradition, former TdF champion, many participants and participations) and South Africa (developed country with strong European roots in its civilization) are a testament to the growing world appeal of cycling and new talent pools from which to draw.

Looking at the list of nations for the riders in the Young Rider classification will show the diversity of nation of origin for the future of the sport.

While I agree the list of young riders is varied is great, the UCI doesn't work for free. It's about getting paid both over and under the table. Cycling is pretty cheap compared to trying to do something in a sport like football too. And remember, at least some of the money comes from the government.

Maybe someone can post some information on participation rates in Australia. That's an interesting question. However, There are some consistent allegations that AIS was running at minimum a parallel doping operation. So, success is probably suspect.

 

[timmers]

Huh? What makes you so certain Kazakhstan isn't a golden opportunity for cycling? The government is apparently supporting the sport. Lots of money for everyone at the UCI when governments are giving it to you. You may recall they built an impressive velodrome in the nation recently.

Pat Mcquaid announced a 1.2 classification race! They've got a UCI satellite office in country too! http://www.proteam-astana.com/en/news/tour-of-almaty

Cha-ching!!!!!


Bzzt! Try again. They don't want or need cycling participants. They want money and the Kazaks give it.



While I agree the list of young riders is varied is great, the UCI doesn't work for free. It's about getting paid both over and under the table. Cycling is pretty cheap compared to trying to do something in a sport like football too. And remember, at least some of the money comes from the government.

Maybe someone can post some information on participation rates in Australia. That's an interesting question. However, There are some consistent allegations that AIS was running at minimum a parallel doping operation. So, success is probably suspect.

Wow the clinic conspiritist out does himself. Lets bring in the USA as I am sure they are supporting Egypt who are supporting Somalia who are backing Indonesia who are infiltrating Australia through boat people!!! Australia has no history in sport and the AIS is drug factory ! The last sentence is not true!

What the idiot suggests is a conspiracy involving numerous people working for the UCI in Switzerland plus more working for Sky Professional cycling team plus others working for Sky Television and News Corp!!!! Some one will leak! It hasn't happened! Maybe Froome is clean!

This is not to say that the AIS sprinters from day gone by were not on the juice.

As I have said before. If you have evidence tell your or the riders ADA! If nothing happens talkl to the press and your MP!

 

[thehog]

12:40:14 CEST
As expert Cilian Kelly points on Twitter: No French, Italian or Spanish stage winners in the first 11 stages. Hasn't happened at the Tour de France since 1926.

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[timmers]

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Troll! ..........

 

[horsinabout]

Seeing as this is the designated tinfoil thread, what do you guys think about the possibility that:
a) doping scandal does not adversely affect a team's marketability, or the sporting results achieved cancel out the negative coverage.
b) doping scandal may be used in some way, and deliberately courted.
...because it seems like a lot of people don't give a **** who did what as long as they win, maybe to the point that a team could safely base their business on a Ricco/Di Luca ethos.

c) am I stating the obvious (Rock Racing, Androni and Christina Watches say hello)?

Not hard to work out why I might ask this.

There is no such thing as bad publicity - right enough!

And the clinic is the best thing that ever happened to Sky and it's PR. They talk about them day and night, the clinic are in love..

 

[Cycle Chic]

Wow the clinic conspiritist out does himself. Lets bring in the USA as I am sure they are supporting Egypt who are supporting Somalia who are backing Indonesia who are infiltrating Australia through boat people!!! Australia has no history in sport and the AIS is drug factory ! The last sentence is not true!

What the idiot suggests is a conspiracy involving numerous people working for the UCI in Switzerland plus more working for Sky Professional cycling team plus others working for Sky Television and News Corp!!!! Some one will leak! It hasn't happened! Maybe Froome is clean!

This is not to say that the AIS sprinters from day gone by were not on the juice.

As I have said before. If you have evidence tell your or the riders ADA! If nothing happens talkl to the press and your MP![/QUOTE]

Okay I,ll just go see my local MP - errrrr hold on he is just having a look at his latest pay rise while visiting his local public toilets.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Africa

From an interview with Jamie Fuller who met Mcquaid in February in Paris accompanied by Antoine Vayer. The quote is from Mcquaid.

Antoine Vayer that accompanies Fuller in Paris, also met Pat McQuaid recently. The Irish paid him a beer and forgot her credit card on the table. Apart from that?

« "Doping, he seems to think that this is not his problem. He is very happy with him, he told me:
"You know before I was there there were five races in Africa now, there are 20. It's not that doping, cycling, I create shopping! "He is happy with his balance. » "

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...icrosoft:en-GB:IE-Address&rlz=1I7LENN_enGB507

So my theory about the huge media attention for Daryl Impey and Froome wasn't so far off the mark was it !!

 

[sniper]

From an interview with Jamie Fuller who met Mcquaid in February in Paris accompanied by Antoine Vayer. The quote is from Mcquaid.



http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...icrosoft:en-GB:IE-Address&rlz=1I7LENN_enGB507

So my theory about the huge media attention for Daryl Impey and Froome wasn't so far off the mark was it !!

It's speculative, but imo surely within the realm of possibilities that UCI has had talks with Sky about how to put Froome forward as their main man and thus reach two big markets (Britain & SA) with one strike. And we know for a fact Sky had Froome-related talks with ASO/UCI representatives, so this may well have been on the table.
And yes, I consider it a possibility (although tentative) that UCI had similar talks with Greenedge about how to put Impey in the spotlights.
Speculative but certainly not unthinkable, imo.
That it all worked out like this is still largely down to mere chance, I think, but UCI may at least have done their part to 'steer' the results in a certain direction.

This sport is rotten to the core anyway and everybody, yes, every single body, is in it for the money. Let's not kid ourselves there.

 

[hrotha]

Why would you bump this? I'da thought you'd want everybody to forget you posted it.

 

[King Boonen]

It's speculative, but imo surely within the realm of possibilities that UCI has had some sort of a deal with Sky to put Froome forward as their main man and thus reach two big markets (Britain & SA) with one strike.
And yes, I consider it a possibility (although tentative) that UCI had similar talks with Greenedge about how to put Impey in the spotlights.
Speculative but certainly not unthinkable, imo.
That it all worked out like this is still in part due to mere chance, I think, but UCI may at least have done their part to 'steer' the results in a certain direction.

This sport is rotten to the core anyway and everybody, yes, every single body, is in it for the money. Let's not kid ourselves there.

No one in Britain, apart from people who already followed cycling, cares about Froome.

 

[sniper]

No one in Britain, apart from people who already followed cycling, cares about Froome.

walsh cares

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

No one in Britain, apart from people who already followed cycling, cares about Froome.

I'm not sure about this. I see a lot of Skybots on this board who obviously know nothing about cycling yapping about how awesome Froome is and how obviously clean he's riding.

But largely, I hope it's true. That way fewer people will be disappointed when Froome is finally exposed.

 

[sniper]

of course britain cares. froome represents sky, after all.
when arjen robben scored the winner for bayern munich in the champions league, there were two big celebrations: one in germany/munich, the other in the netherlands.
very simple, with froome in yellow you reach two markets.

 

[Parker]

If the UCI wanted a figurehead to boost cycling throughout Africa, they wouldn't have chosen someone white and British. Do you people even think these things through?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If the UCI wanted a figurehead to boost cycling throughout Africa, they wouldn't have chosen someone white and British. Do you people even think these things through?

I was trying to think of something PC & subtle to convey the point that you wrote - but yours hits the mark.

 

[King Boonen]

I'm not sure about this. I see a lot of Skybots on this board who obviously know nothing about cycling yapping about how awesome Froome is and how obviously clean he's riding.

But largely, I hope it's true. That way fewer people will be disappointed when Froome is finally exposed.

I said followed, nothing about them understanding

of course britain cares. froome represents sky, after all.
when arjen robben scored the winner for bayern munich in the champions league, there were two big celebrations: one in germany/munich, the other in the netherlands.
very simple, with froome in yellow you reach two markets.

Equating football and cycling is always going to fall down, particularly when there is pretty much no national competition in road cycling. Most people in Britain would struggle to name the 2011 world road race champion for instance. People cared about Wiggins, they knew who he was because of his track background, most would probably struggle to remember if Froome competed at the Olympics.

 

[Alphabet]

I can't see black or northern Africans taking to a white British cyclist or accepting him as one of their own. If he rode under a Kenyan or South African license, I could see it.

Also regarding Froome's popularity, I don't think he's anywhere near the popularity that Wiggins reached in 2012.

 

[King Boonen]

walsh cares

He's clearly covered by what I said beforehand. He's also Irish if you understand the difference.

 

[sniper]

If the UCI wanted a figurehead to boost cycling throughout Africa, they wouldn't have chosen someone white and British. Do you people even think these things through?

who said they were in the position to choose anybody?
and who said they wanted a figurehead?

uci of course didn't 'choose' sky/froome.
but uci will ofcourse have understood the benefits of having them up there on the podium as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

whether uci did something 'extra' to help froome/sky on their way up is of course speculation, but it would certainly have been a responsible commercial investment.

what this 'extra' consisted of?
perhaps just warnings for OOC testing, or explanations of anti-doping procedures. Say, the USPS treatment. Perhaps something else. Perhaps nothing.