Something's Beginning to Stink

[Galic Ho]

If you're talking about the phone hacking that was News Corp, who are different to Sky. Admittedly, News Corp have a large stake in Sky, but not a controlling interest, as that bid was blocked, eventually, by the Government.

I was talking about News Corp.

IMO they're the same company. Same with Fox. All the same thing, just different countries.

As for the racing jerseys. That is just how it panned out. Crashes meant that OPQS didn't win what they should have.

But on the issue of $$$ to be made from Anglo Saxon interests, yes Cycle Chic has a very good point.

I'd love to know if Specialized and Cervelo still make the most bike sales. Anyone know for the years post 2000? How are Trek fairing? How has the USA market gone? Cervelo still numero uno in triathlon? Or have Pinarellos and BMC gained ground? Have the brands associated with team Sky benefited largely? Anyone know?

Because that is the real tell. I'd wager they have. Quite well. I'd also wager the more traditional Euro markets have faltered slightly or had no growth. It is always about the $$$ people. Think I am wrong? Why is a Brit running for UCI Presidency? Now of all times? The money. They want to control where it goes. Duh!!!

 

[ebandit]

wow!

The matter has been resolved.

Sky have offered me to spend a week with them at the Tour.

Which I accepted.

wow! we may get to meet

and by the way wiggle is a uk bike retailer

Mark L

ps...........look out for my ugly mug

 

[Alphabet]

Yes, something certainly stinks. I think the general consensus by 'normal' people who know this sport and are not caught up in the small internet forum world of allegations, rudeness, speculation and downright nasty thinking, have said for a long time (many years in some cases) that once the peleton cleans up then we'll have a situation where people who ride clean and come from cultures where doping isn't endemic have got a chance to shine. What disturbs me about doping over the years is the lost opportunities for riders who didn't get involved and had to watch their drugged peers ride away with the spoils. What we are now seeing is the start of that process. I know half of you on this forum would deny that. I think that's because you want doping, you yearn for it - every positive is a victory because your whole raison d'etre appears to be "I love riders who dope because they justify everything I believe". But what stinks around here are the posters who really cannot see the positive changes that are now taking place. Go for it clean riders! Seize the day!

There is absolutely no such thing as a culture where doping isn't endemic. Have you been keeping current with the news at all? Quite recently there was an enormous doping scandal across several Australian sports. Few/none of which have any interactions with those 'dirty continental types' as some (such as yourself, it would seem, by your insistence that some countries are inherently cleaner than others) would call them.

As for GreenEDGE, branding them as suspicious following a stage win and a TTT win is ridiculous. Thor Hushovd spent about a week in yellow during the 2011 Tour but would undoubtedly have lost it when the race hit the Pyrenees had Voeckler not managed to snatch it a couple of days before that.

 

[Cycle Chic]

There is absolutely no such thing as a culture where doping isn't endemic. Have you been keeping current with the news at all? Quite recently there was an enormous doping scandal across several Australian sports. Few/none of which have any interactions with those 'dirty continental types' as some (such as yourself, it would seem, by your insistence that some countries are inherently cleaner than others) would call them.

As for GreenEDGE, branding them as suspicious following a stage win and a TTT win is ridiculous. Thor Hushovd spent about a week in yellow during the 2011 Tour but would undoubtedly have lost it when the race hit the Pyrenees had Voeckler not managed to snatch it a couple of days before that.

God...How many more times must I say it is NOT about Greenedge doping.

And thanks Galic Ho for the support !!

 

[hrotha]

God...How many more times must I say it is NOT about Greenedge doping.

And thanks Galic Ho for the support !!

Well, it's the only plausible way to rig the Tour in Orica's favour the way you're suggesting.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Well, it's the only plausible way to rig the Tour in Orica's favour the way you're suggesting.

its easy to 'doctor' times with seconds difference rather than minutes.

 

[hrotha]

its easy to 'doctor' times with seconds difference rather than minutes.

But that wouldn't explain Impey taking the yellow jersey over Gerrans.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

its easy to 'doctor' times with seconds difference rather than minutes.

Make it easy on us. Show us exactly where and when the time differences were fiddled with to allow this to happen. And tell us who exactly did the changing: McQuaid? Hinault? Prudhomme? The race jury?

We need the details here....

 

[ebandit]

in part

its easy to 'doctor' times with seconds difference rather than minutes.

was it not that huge particle accelerator under uci hq?

easily used to warp space time continuum adjusting times as desired

Mark L

 

[Cycle Chic]

Make it easy on us. Show us exactly where and when the time differences were fiddled with to allow this to happen. And tell us who exactly did the changing: McQuaid? Hinault? Prudhomme? The race jury?

We need the details here....

Do you want me to tell you when Pat picked his nose and on what day and time

Its not rocket science....who is going to benefit from this huge influx of revenue to Cycling ? all the teams...sponsors climb onboard....money money money.....do you think the Teams' Management wouldn't all be interested in a particular Team winning to boost the money pot ?

Did you hear any cries of dismay from Movistar or Liquigas last year when Sky took over ? no ! because they are benifitting from the increase in ££££££££'s.

Who benefitted from Lance winning the Tour all those years ? EVERY TEAM IN THE PELOTON that's who !

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Make it easy on us. Show us exactly where and when the time differences were fiddled with to allow this to happen. And tell us who exactly did the changing: McQuaid? Hinault? Prudhomme? The race jury?

We need the details here....

Here you go, Breaking News - get it on the front page.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

its easy to 'doctor' times with seconds difference rather than minutes.

Must have taken some organisation to make sure in the crash on the first stage Thomas fractured his pelvis so he couldn't pull in the TTT meaning that Orica got the yellow from EBH by three seconds.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I was talking about News Corp.

IMO they're the same company. Same with Fox. All the same thing, just different countries.

As for the racing jerseys. That is just how it panned out. Crashes meant that OPQS didn't win what they should have.

But on the issue of $$$ to be made from Anglo Saxon interests, yes Cycle Chic has a very good point.

I'd love to know if Specialized and Cervelo still make the most bike sales. Anyone know for the years post 2000? How are Trek fairing? How has the USA market gone? Cervelo still numero uno in triathlon? Or have Pinarellos and BMC gained ground? Have the brands associated with team Sky benefited largely? Anyone know?

Because that is the real tell. I'd wager they have. Quite well. I'd also wager the more traditional Euro markets have faltered slightly or had no growth. It is always about the $$$ people. Think I am wrong? Why is a Brit running for UCI Presidency? Now of all times? The money. They want to control where it goes. Duh!!!

Hold up - the highlighted while true, has nothing at all to do with the ridiculous theory put forward by the OP.

And just to be clear - the Brits have put forth an Anglo Saxon candidate, to replace an Anglo Saxon President.

 

[ianfra]

Sky lawyers tried to gag me. Sent me a cease and desist order.

I'm not allowed to use the term "full ***" and "Dawg" or "Froome" in the same sentence.

I've also been forbidden from posting the Froome zig zag picture.

You are not the only one round here who should be gagged. Sadly the internet allows people to spread nasty lies about other people. I wonder how they would feel if the lies were about them?

 

[RiccoDinko]

Geez, guy get's a gifted yelllow, and now he's in Clinic bullseye. How about a little evidence, or link to doping? Or is this the Pure Speculation Forum?

 

[Benotti69]

Geez, guy get's a gifted yelllow, and now he's in Clinic bullseye. How about a little evidence, or link to doping? Or is this the Pure Speculation Forum?

This is cycling, the speculation is usually spot on.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

This is cycling, the speculation is usually spot on.

You believe what Cycle chic theory/is saying

 

[Benotti69]

You believe what Cycle chic theory/is saying

I dont believe the peloton has stopped doping. All those teams in the TdF are competing with their A teams and I reckon most have used PEDs to train for this tour and are also using something during the race.

So the Ogres are part of that.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I dont believe the peloton has stopped doping. All those teams in the TdF are competing with their A teams and I reckon most have used PEDs to train for this tour and are also using something during the race.

So the Ogres are part of that.

That's not what cycle chic is saying..as she said.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You believe what Cycle chic theory/is saying

I dont believe the peloton has stopped doping. All those teams in the TdF are competing with their A teams and I reckon most have used PEDs to train for this tour and are also using something during the race.

So the Ogres are part of that.

Yet Cycling Chics was adamant that her point had nothing to do with doping.
It is the African/Brit theory thing.

 

[thehog]

wow! we may get to meet

and by the way wiggle is a uk bike retailer

Mark L

ps...........look out for my ugly mug

They told me a about you.

Said you're always hanging around near the Sky bus looking for old chamois being thrown out.

 

[thehog]

You are not the only one round here who should be gagged. Sadly the internet allows people to spread nasty lies about other people. I wonder how they would feel if the lies were about them?

Sadly drugs make half rate cyclist like Froome into GT contenders.

We all need to band together and sue Sky. Class action.

None the less lets see how my week goes in the Sky bus.

 

[D-Queued]

Let's keep things in perspective. That wasn't a TTT course, it was a prologue run by nine guys at the same time.

25K? Gimme a break. There is NO way the times from Tuesday should be even discussed in the same breath with other TTTs. Whoever thought a 15 mile long TTT was a good idea is an idiot. If they DIDN'T set some records, I'd be left scratching my head.

Others might be, but I am not comparing this TTT to other TTTs.

What is of interest is that one team, that appeared to place very high on the day, ran an ITT with eight guys drafting.

That, in and of itself, is no big deal. Especially if it were a technical course with little room to pass.

But, it wasn't that kind of course

But, it was done at a speed of 59 kph

But, the guy doing all the pulling is a 39 yr old Tour rookie

But, the guy doing the pulling was averaging 651 watts

But, that is 143 watts more than Indurain's Hour, albeit for one-half the time

<Raise one eyebrow, not two>

You are a pretty accomplished cyclist. How long can you maintain 59 kph?

what the hell is going on in this thread

OGE's team of ex-track riders won the (very short) TTT by 1 second over a sprint lead out team

i love a good conspiracy theory but this is waaaaaaaaaay off

that said, if OGE suddenly are able to perform in the mountains and have a good GC result... but that is about as likely as chris froome winning a bunch kick

Ex track riders?

1. Relevance? 2. Accuracy?

Dave.

 

[horsinabout]

was it not that huge particle accelerator under uci hq?

easily used to warp space time continuum adjusting times as desired

Mark L

The God particle.................now that's a conspiracy theory.........................if

ever there was..........................ebandito

Joining the .................dots.

 

[barn yard]

you dont think having a team of world class pursuiters is going to give you a big advantage in such a short TTT?

have you watched a bike race before?