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I know you can't really use 2013 as a reference, but I do think Quintana should be alot closer to Froome in the Alpes that he was in the Pyrenees in this tour. I just hope that this stage comes down to the GC contenders as opposed to another breakaway, if Movistar do not race this stage hard from the start I shall cry....oh and call them the biggest joke of a team ever for not at least contesting the MJ.
SlickMongoose said:
I know you can't really use 2013 as a reference, but I do think Quintana should be alot closer to Froome in the Alpes that he was in the Pyrenees in this tour. I just hope that this stage comes down to the GC contenders as opposed to another breakaway, if Movistar do not race this stage hard from the start I shall cry....oh and call them the biggest joke of a team ever for not at least contesting the MJ.
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Hmmmm, maybe. Tbh im pretty sure Movistar cycling team inc would be satisfied with 2 riders on GC podium and no stage wins. And presumably Movistar alone would struggle to pull back a break so they'd need help from other teams and im not sure the others would be that bothered. Sky only care about winning GC.
The Barb said:
Hmmmm, maybe. Tbh im pretty sure Movistar cycling team inc would be satisfied with 2 riders on GC podium and no stage wins. And presumably Movistar alone would struggle to pull back a break so they'd need help from other teams and im not sure the others would be that bothered. Sky only care about winning GC.
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Because Nairo will go full *** on the Croix Fer and pull out a lead of 2'30'' by the finish, thus setting up an epic finish on the Alpe d'Huez.
More seriously, as the Barb says the last two days have seen big breaks with a number of serious stage hunters involved, so they might not have the energy (It must be Martin's turn to attack). Also, the amount of climbing in a short stage means that the winner will have to be a very strong guy. Having said that the break is likely to be strong, since the race climbs right at the start.
I think a break does have a reasonable chance, since Sky will only go stage hunting when it is clear on Saturday that the GC situation is settled coming in towards the Alpe d'Huez.
I would say that Movistar are the biggest danger to an attack by stage hunters and minor GC guys. If the numbers in the break are favourable, Movistar might try to launch Nairo from long distance, or (what seems more likely) they'll try to set up a Nairo win on the final climb.
1. Nairo, 2. Dawg, 3. Nibali
willbick said:
Because Nairo will go full *** on the Croix Fer and pull out a lead of 2'30'' by the finish, thus setting up an epic finish on the Alpe d'Huez.
More seriously, as the Barb says the last two days have seen big breaks with a number of serious stage hunters involved, so they might not have the energy (It must be Martin's turn to attack). Also, the amount of climbing in a short stage means that the winner will have to be a very strong guy. Having said that the break is likely to be strong, since the race climbs right at the start.
I think a break does have a reasonable chance, since Sky will only go stage hunting when it is clear on Saturday that the GC situation is settled coming in towards the Alpe d'Huez.
I would say that Movistar are the biggest danger to an attack by stage hunters and minor GC guys. If the numbers in the break are favourable, Movistar might try to launch Nairo from long distance, or (what seems more likely) they'll try to set up a Nairo win on the final climb.
1. Nairo, 2. Dawg, 3. Nibali
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Sky will probably be happy to let a big break go and fight for the win, they may even send someone up the road with it like stage 17.
It will never happen but id love sky to send Thomas up the road, Movistar would then soil themselves and have to chase hard giving Froome an easy ride. Of course this could backfire and leave Froome isolated if Porte/Poels have bad days.
It will never happen but id love sky to send Thomas up the road, Movistar would then soil themselves and have to chase hard giving Froome an easy ride. Of course this could backfire and leave Froome isolated if Porte/Poels have bad days.
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Lol froome will get an easy ride whatever - thats what his domestiques are for!
Pricey_sky said:
Lol froome will get an easy ride whatever - thats what his domestiques are for!
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Last few days the domestiques seem to have been for Geraint Thomas, Froome doesn't need them and they can't keep up with him anyway.willbick said:
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Quintana has to attack tomorrow if they're going to go for the win. I hope Movistar drills it again, like they did at LPSM, but starting as soon as the neutral zone ends. Full throttle until they either run out of domestiques or Contador or Nibali gets dropped so Astana or Lotto-Jumbo help out. It might not have been the right strategy at LPSM, given the climb and the moment in the race, but it is the right strategy now if they're in it to win it. If they take time off Froome it's a massive morale boost for tomorrow. If it fails, then you try to salvage the podium on Saturday.
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Movistar should drill it on the Croix de Fer and launch Quintana on the Col du Mollard. Letting Sky set a false tempo isn't going to cut the mustard this time around.
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yeah..... Valverde just killed the Stage possibilities & scenarios for Nairito, Contador and Nibbs to come up with some legendary ride....
Unless the Alien bonks half way though the stage, I can see Movistar doing all the hard work for SKY to secure Alejandro's podium dream to materialize this time-even at the expense of Nairito's chances to win the stage ....
Publicus said:
yeah..... Valverde just killed the Stage possibilities & scenarios for Nairito, Contador and Nibbs to come up with some legendary ride....
Unless the Alien bonks half way though the stage, I can see Movistar doing all the hard work for SKY to secure Alejandro's podium dream to materialize this time-even at the expense of Nairito's chances to win the stage ....
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To be honest I think they need to use up all of their domestiques in the first 10ks of the climb, then launch Quintana or Valverde on Croix de Fer.
auscyclefan94 said:
To be honest I think they need to use up all of their domestiques in the first 10ks of the climb, then launch Quintana or Valverde on Croix de Fer.
Rodriguez blowing apart spectacularly yesterday has really opened up the KOTM competition.
Rodriguez - 68
Bardet - 68
Fuglsang - 64
Froome - 61
Pauwels - 55
Porte - 40
Majka - 34
Quintana - 32
Maximum points on today’s stage – 10 + 25 +5 + 20 at the finish = 60
Maximum points on tomorrow’s stage – 25 + 50 at the finish = 75
Froome definitely has the edge now. It is hard to see the Alpe D’Huez stage being won by a breakaway so you have to think Froome will likely finish in the top two and pick up 50 or 40 points there. If today’s stage is fought out by the GC contenders then Froome will likely finish up somewhere around 110-120 points, which will probably be enough to win it.
For the riders currently placed 2nd to 5th I think their best chance is to forget about the final climbs and go super hard in the first half of both stages (even if they finish up in the grupetto) to try to get close to the maximum 65 points, which would get them up to a potentially winning total.
Another possibility, albeit slim, is that Quintana wins the last two stages and Froome doesn’t finish in the top 4 or 5 on Alpe D’Huez, in which Quintana has a chance.
Rodriguez - 68
Bardet - 68
Fuglsang - 64
Froome - 61
Pauwels - 55
Porte - 40
Majka - 34
Quintana - 32
Maximum points on today’s stage – 10 + 25 +5 + 20 at the finish = 60
Maximum points on tomorrow’s stage – 25 + 50 at the finish = 75
Froome definitely has the edge now. It is hard to see the Alpe D’Huez stage being won by a breakaway so you have to think Froome will likely finish in the top two and pick up 50 or 40 points there. If today’s stage is fought out by the GC contenders then Froome will likely finish up somewhere around 110-120 points, which will probably be enough to win it.
For the riders currently placed 2nd to 5th I think their best chance is to forget about the final climbs and go super hard in the first half of both stages (even if they finish up in the grupetto) to try to get close to the maximum 65 points, which would get them up to a potentially winning total.
Another possibility, albeit slim, is that Quintana wins the last two stages and Froome doesn’t finish in the top 4 or 5 on Alpe D’Huez, in which Quintana has a chance.
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Whoever wins the jersey will need a 51 point lead over Froome/Quintana before Alp d'Huez. Just as security. So going hard in the first half of both stages would do the trick.
The Barb said:
Whoever wins the jersey will need a 51 point lead over Froome/Quintana before Alp d'Huez. Just as security. So going hard in the first half of both stages would do the trick.
Re: Stage 19: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienn - La Toussuire-Les Sybe
I'm baffled by Movistar just baffled. I can not imagine why quintana keeps countering contador. Like seriously are you fighting for the win or for podium places. Froome looked tired at times yesterday. In stead of letting team sky respond which only had thomas with froome at times they do all the work for them.
Huge Froome fan myself but this way its made to easy for him.
I'm baffled by Movistar just baffled. I can not imagine why quintana keeps countering contador. Like seriously are you fighting for the win or for podium places. Froome looked tired at times yesterday. In stead of letting team sky respond which only had thomas with froome at times they do all the work for them.
Huge Froome fan myself but this way its made to easy for him.
i dont see nairo beating froome in the last climb(expect froome bonks). its not a climbers mountain. movistar needs to go earlier. today will reveal movistars real intents.
play it solid: work a bit in croix de fer, chase down GC threats but not actively burn valverde and risk his podium
go all in: work hardcore on croix de fer and burn valverde with several consequent attaks. a strong break to join later would be useful.
my head says solid, my heart says all in. but its about money, so a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
play it solid: work a bit in croix de fer, chase down GC threats but not actively burn valverde and risk his podium
go all in: work hardcore on croix de fer and burn valverde with several consequent attaks. a strong break to join later would be useful.
my head says solid, my heart says all in. but its about money, so a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
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Re: Stage 19: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienn - La Toussuire-Les Sybe
I thought it was pretty clear that Movistar's goal is to get 2-3 in Paris?OmieeZF said:
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a) Froome only gained 1 minute on Quintana in the Pyreness this Tour
b) Yes, I do agree Quintana will be much better, simply because of his amazing last weeks of GT's (2014 Giro, 2013 Tour)
Jim2784 said:
a) Froome only gained 1 minute on Quintana in the Pyreness this Tour
b) Yes, I do agree Quintana will be much better, simply because of his amazing last weeks of GT's (2014 Giro, 2013 Tour)
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I personally would be very surprised if there is any action (GC wise ) on the Chaussy other than positioning team mates in the breakaway- I would be surprised if there is no action on the Croix-de Fer but think it is more likely to come from Contador and Nibali rather than Quintana who I think will wait until the final climb.
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my take on Quintana:
Quintana is suffering from the heat in the last 7 days, and he would be better of with some colder weather / rain. But I fear the heat has tired him and Quintana is probably as tired as Froome. He hasn't lost that much at all (he lost more during the flat stage 2 than in all other stages together), but how on earth will he make up for the time loss?
He is not much worse than Froome, he is riding solid, but I won't expect miracles. Being second in the Tour at 25 is something very remarkable, and almost as good as 1st. That's the reality. Secretly, I am hoping that he has forced Froome the last couple of days, and will crack him today. But if Froome keeps riding like this for two days and doesn't crack, all he has to do is ride on economy.
Quintana is suffering from the heat in the last 7 days, and he would be better of with some colder weather / rain. But I fear the heat has tired him and Quintana is probably as tired as Froome. He hasn't lost that much at all (he lost more during the flat stage 2 than in all other stages together), but how on earth will he make up for the time loss?
He is not much worse than Froome, he is riding solid, but I won't expect miracles. Being second in the Tour at 25 is something very remarkable, and almost as good as 1st. That's the reality. Secretly, I am hoping that he has forced Froome the last couple of days, and will crack him today. But if Froome keeps riding like this for two days and doesn't crack, all he has to do is ride on economy.
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