State of the Peloton 2024

[ppanther92]

Going to post here rather than the rider threads. Cause we obviously have two aliens but also Landa is Pantani now.

 

[Scarponi]

I can see why riders like Bardet , Pinot, Geshkce said they can’t keep
Up at the back of the peleton.
Reminds you of Lemonds comments in early 90s

 

[Monoxidator]

It’s turned into an arms race. UAE and Giannetti were always going to win with their bigger budgets.

 

[Penninepeddler]

~2-3 years ago at least what was being done was semi-believable still...

but now? Yeh...

guys like Bernal are matching/beating their numbers from 5 years ago when they were right at the pointy end and getting minute-after-minute put into them.

Are Hindley, Carapaz and Simon Yates form "losses" even actual losses? They are riding as well as ever off the numbers seemingly... but just that there are a LOT of guys at the very front who somehow, in their mid to late-20s, are improving their V02 Max, VAM etc year-after-year...

or is it that they are just better fuelled and have worked hard to increase their pedal-stroke efficiency?

 

[Scarponi]

For those who knew cycling in the past, do the stage lengths and profiles have anything to do with these times? Some of the old
Profiles posted on here look diabolical compared to today in length and mountains. Though others have said they soft pedalled the first part of stages 30 years ago.

 

[fbjim]

I can see why riders like Bardet , Pinot, Geshkce said they can’t keep
Up at the back of the peleton.
Reminds you of Lemonds comments in early 90s

ok let's get some perspective here i think there is a minor difference between Greg LeMond and Simon Geschke

 

[QueenStagiaire]

For those who knew cycling in the past, do the stage lengths and profiles have anything to do with these times? Some of the old
Profiles posted on here look diabolical compared to today in length and mountains. Though others have said they soft pedalled the first part of stages 30 years ago.

Today was 200 k, almost 5000 vertical meters and full gas all day, so clearly not.

 

[Penninepeddler]

Today was 200 k, almost 5000 vertical meters and full gas all day, so clearly not.

Stage was probably slightly harder than the stage Pantani set the record on... and ridden harder before the climb aha.

 

[Scarponi]

ok let's get some perspective here i think there is a minor difference between Greg LeMond and Simon Geschke

that’s rude to compare Pinot and Bardet to Lemond

 

[Scarponi]

Today was 200 k, almost 5000 vertical meters and full gas all day, so clearly not.

Not the exact stage, just in general.

 

[ppanther92]

It’s turned into an arms race. UAE and Giannetti were always going to win with their bigger budgets.

Wait for next year. This is a “must win” considering the circumstances but In don’t think Rabobank has exhausted all its means yet either.

I fully expect Pogacar and Vingegaard to be even faster next year and should they do Alpe d’Huez or Mont Ventoux, cycling might be in for some tough questions.

 

[Heston]

View: https://youtu.be/NuAKnbIr6TE

 

[Cassirer]

In no way do I want to defend gianettis golden experiment, but I must say I find this Performance less over the top than vinges level basically straight out of icu.
I dont research the numbers as much as others, but i also found the '23 TT more absurd. Till then they both kind of cancelled each others absurdity out because there were two, and then He just obliterates him. That pog returns the favor this year maybe doesnt seem as implausible.

But those are nuances between the two, in the end one can only hope these young men will be able to live a long and healthy life despite whatever they are doing.

 

[zlev11]

In no way do I want to defend gianettis golden experiment, but I must say I find this Performance less over the top than vinges level basically straight out of icu.
I dont research the numbers as much as others, but i also found the '23 TT more absurd. Till then they both kind of cancelled each others absurdity out because there were two, and then He just obliterates him. That pog returns the favor this year maybe doesnt seem as implausible.

But those are nuances between the two, in the end one can only hope these young men will be able to live a long and healthy life despite whatever they are doing.

there's clearly something, or a combination of things that can give you an instant 15-20%. no doubt it's helping Vingegaard as much as Pogacar, but Pogacar wasn't in ICU 3 months ago.

 

[red_flanders]

Well, that all seemed legit.

 

[AmRacer]

So even Landa beat Pantani, who would've thought.

 

[Forever The Best]

Before Jorgenson stopped pulling, only riders staying with him were Vingegaard, Pogacar, Yates, Evenepoel and Landa. 6 riders from 3 teams. Cyclisme a deux vitesses. And the French riders can't keep up again. (Although Bardet was 2nd at Liege)

 

[Heston]

I don't even care that much if they dope. It's happening in all sports.

But this is just insanity. Way over the top. There are no words anymore to describe it.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Remember when they stopped Mark doing the tour/Olympics and raided his team twice for winning a couple of meaningless Dauphine stages, multiple anonymous accusatory op-eds from French directors in newspapers. Where the French police at now come on lads.

 

[hrotha]

Mainstream media really sleeping on the ongoing tarmac revolution

 

[Monoxidator]

Here's the answer:

Prof. Dr. Walter Schmidt

www.profilfelder.uni-bayreuth.de

The good Dr. Walter Schmidt's research ... he's been building up his protocols for CO dosing since 2013. He's been studying Hypoxia's effects on the body since 1990's. WADA saw it and ...

There's a reason they're always "at altitude" ... it's not just standard live high train low stuff ... they're artificially inducing extreme altitude adaptations in the human body with CO (and possibly other things as well). Effing dangerous if kids start doing that. Totally irresponsible but I think the cat's out of the bag.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

ok let's get some perspective here i think there is a minor difference between Greg LeMond and Simon Geschke

Yeah, LeMond never rode with a beard like that.

 

[Scarponi]

Remember when they stopped Mark doing the tour/Olympics and raided his team twice for winning a couple of meaningless Dauphine stages, multiple anonymous accusatory op-eds from French directors in newspapers. Where the French police at now come on lads.

Remember when they kicked Quints out for Panadol?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Mainstream media really sleeping on the ongoing tarmac revolution

Let's not give Specialized too much credit here, they only finished 3rd

 

[Barnacle Bill]

The combination of more eating and emptier bowels (or whatever the latest explanation is) is doing wonders.

Not many scraps for poor old former GT winners in breaks these days, interesting to see where we go from here.