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Krzysztof_O

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I still don't understand what happened today. This is at least 2 minutes (freaking 5% or more) less than the time expected from absolutely peak mutants. Tailwind at every hairpin? (i.e. a tornado following our heroes). The level was so much higher than in the previous stages. It's clear that JV planned it for a long time (like Combloux bomb last year) but maybe the gap to Pogacar forced them to do it earlier. UAE surely planned it as well. As a result the perfect storm happened: Vingo nuked the peleton with ridiculous performance but Teddy outnuked him at the end, which is mind-boogling. For the first time I feel weird after Pogacar's win. I mean, I'm very tolerant regarding doping as long as it's still organic engine deciding the winner. I hope it's still it but for the first time I have some doubts.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
I still don't understand what happened today. This is at least 2 minutes (freaking 5% or more) less than the time expected from absolutely peak mutants. Tailwind at every hairpin? (i.e. a tornado following our heroes). It's clear that JV planned it for a long time (like Combloux bomb last year) but maybe Pogacar's level yesterday forced them to do it earlier. UAE surely planned it as well. As a result Vingo nuked the peleton with ridiculous performance but Teddy outnuked him at the end, which is mind-boogling. For the first time I feel weird after Pogacar's win. I mean, I'm very tolerant regarding doping as long as it's still organic engine deciding the winner. I hope it's still it but for the first time I have some doubts.
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Obviously perfect storm of many circumstances. Physiologically - I think it's very clear that Pogacar and Vingegaard barely tire from the climbing a full stage at a pace that leaves around 15 dudes by the final climb.

Then there's tailwind, Visma sets up the perfect pace, Vingegaard sets up Pogacar perfectly, and then Pogacar has the motor draft home.
 
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Red Rick said:
Obviously perfect storm of many circumstances. Physiologically - I think it's very clear that Pogacar and Vingegaard barely tire from the climbing a full stage at a pace that leaves around 15 dudes by the final climb.
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Yeah, in the meantime I added "perfect storm" to my post

Vingo pacing Pogacar made it kinda "mutants team time trial". Still, absolutely amazing level and also ridiculous gaps to the rest.
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Somehow have the feeling, that something strange happened during the Covid years. Was it the one year without any meaningful testing outside of competitions? Maybe that freedom opened the doors to try out some new methods.
Its not only in cycling, but in athletics you have 400m hurdles race, that was completely nuts (Tokyo Olympics), and the crazy Marathon WR.
 
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Somehow have the feeling, that something strange happened during the Covid years. Was it the one year without any meaningful testing outside of competitions? Maybe that freedom opened the doors to try out some new methods.
Its not only in cycling, but in athletics you have 400m hurdles race, that was completely nuts (Tokyo Olympics), and the crazy Marathon WR.
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Marathon is all about the shoes.
 
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TrekCyclist said:
Somehow have the feeling, that something strange happened during the Covid years. Was it the one year without any meaningful testing outside of competitions? Maybe that freedom opened the doors to try out some new methods.
Its not only in cycling, but in athletics you have 400m hurdles race, that was completely nuts (Tokyo Olympics), and the crazy Marathon WR.
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Lots of top level marathon/distance guys are getting done at the moment but it's just for the usual stuff, think Kipruto was rEPO. Loads of Kenyan scapegoats, the Colombia of running.

Ingebrigtsen is who you want to watch out for, I know he's middle distance but he's on some of that Scandinavian good s*it that is doing the rounds at the moment given the times he's posting.
 
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Loads of top level marathon/distance guys are getting done at the moment but it's just for the usual stuff, think Kipruto was rEPO.

Ingebrigtsen is who you want to watch out for, I know he's middle distance but he's on some of that Scandinavian good s*it that is doing the rounds at the moment given the times he's posting.
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Norwegian, not Scandinavian.
Hm, Jonas is Scandinavian too. 🤔
 
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Nicely put about the climbing time today -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/a...vingegaard-tadej-pogacar-win-stage-15-cycling
After the stage finished, it was reported Pogacar had climbed Plateau de Beille in 39min 41sec, compared to the late Marco Pantani’s winning time in 1998’s scandal-riddled “Festina Tour”, of 43min 20sec.
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Today's parcours of nearly 198 km over 4 cat 1's and the HC climb finish were raced at an average speed of 37.78 km/h (according to PCS), add in the hot weather and it's a remarkable feat. 104 guys came in over 40 minutes after the winner plus 1 OTL & 1 DNF.
Pogacar's winning time was remarkable, but a man who was apparently so ill, can match him for most of the day, raises more then eyebrows.
 
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Tim Cahill said:
Lots of top level marathon/distance guys are getting done at the moment but it's just for the usual stuff, think Kipruto was rEPO. Loads of Kenyan scapegoats, the Colombia of running.

Ingebrigtsen is who you want to watch out for, I know he's middle distance but he's on some of that Scandinavian good s*it that is doing the rounds at the moment given the times he's posting.
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Quiet as kept Sweden runners are getting better and better as well. Both sprinters and distance runners.

Still far behind the very best... but lost track (hah) about how many national records been broken this season. Long-standing ones. Almost every distance, I am not kidding.
 
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Somehow have the feeling, that something strange happened during the Covid years. Was it the one year without any meaningful testing outside of competitions? Maybe that freedom opened the doors to try out some new methods.
Its not only in cycling, but in athletics you have 400m hurdles race, that was completely nuts (Tokyo Olympics), and the crazy Marathon WR.
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Australian swimming trails for Olympics was thermonuclear. I fear what the top nations have in Paris soon
 
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