Lots of top level marathon/distance guys are getting done at the moment but it's just for the usual stuff, think Kipruto was rEPO. Loads of Kenyan scapegoats, the Colombia of running.
Ingebrigtsen is who you want to watch out for, I know he's middle distance but he's on some of that Scandinavian good s*it that is doing the rounds at the moment given the times he's posting.
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Nicely put about the climbing time today -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/a...vingegaard-tadej-pogacar-win-stage-15-cycling
Pogacar's winning time was remarkable, but a man who was apparently so ill, can match him for most of the day, raises more then eyebrows.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/a...vingegaard-tadej-pogacar-win-stage-15-cycling
Today's parcours of nearly 198 km over 4 cat 1's and the HC climb finish were raced at an average speed of 37.78 km/h (according to PCS), add in the hot weather and it's a remarkable feat. 104 guys came in over 40 minutes after the winner plus 1 OTL & 1 DNF.
Pogacar's winning time was remarkable, but a man who was apparently so ill, can match him for most of the day, raises more then eyebrows.
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Not a long time ago a sub-40 min time on Alpe would be considered too good for clean era of 2010s. How about such a time on a climb 13% bigger? It's called marginal gains 
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Thats an awesome idea. Only problem is they would probably have to film the gruppetto to see the Pantani ghost.
Quiet as kept Sweden runners are getting better and better as well. Both sprinters and distance runners.
Still far behind the very best... but lost track (hah) about how many national records been broken this season. Long-standing ones. Almost every distance, I am not kidding.
Cavendish casually hugs the fans on stage 20 beating Pantanis time by several minutes confirmed
Australian swimming trails for Olympics was thermonuclear. I fear what the top nations have in Paris soon
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Italy in Swimming, track and field and Olympic Weigtlifting over the last few years is also a bit concerning. Really good in 3 nuclear sports (yeah, Italy has always been a swimming nation).
No one can claim "Aero gains" or "nutrition" for the final climb times ... you have to put the power down to climb that fast that long. Nutrition fuels the engine, but the engine has to make the power.
Landa +3'54". Confirmation that at 34yo he's a better climber than Contador
Didn't he changed bikes during the stage? I'm just curious...
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This must be a mistake. Cav is still riding up PdB as we speak.
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Already super bad math, because they take the time he was down on Carapaz 35 minutes before the climb as the time he was down on Pogačar at the foot. I heard Cav caught up a lot of time through the valley already with the Astana guys drilling it. Probably around four minutes further behind than stated here on PdB.
GC Cav
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Nothing to see here. All good. Just get analytical about your stool
Jonas on that TT pushed the limits of my belief that guys were maybe cleanish.
But today, after yesterday? With the stage being so similar to the stage that Pantani set the record on? But raced harder?
Yeh... the required watts/kg to do that and the V02 max guys have to have?
I mean, it is just not realistic is it?
Look at guys like Bardet and Bernal... these are two of the guys who were the best climbers in the world 5 years ago. Look at S.Yates, Carapaz and Hindley and Mas.
They have not actually got any worse in terms of the times they are putting up really vs ~2-3 years ago. Some have even improved. But there are a few teams whose entire teams are just all improving at a level that does not seem normal given age curves, the fact V02 max doesn't improve over age, and they are not shedding pound after pound to improve their watts/kg. How are these VAMs possible?
Even as a kid during Armstrong I was one of the kids in high school who would not wear a yellow wristband because, well, speaking to my dad at the time? It was too good to be true given what we knew... and this is making some of the things back then look human.
But today, after yesterday? With the stage being so similar to the stage that Pantani set the record on? But raced harder?
Yeh... the required watts/kg to do that and the V02 max guys have to have?
I mean, it is just not realistic is it?
Look at guys like Bardet and Bernal... these are two of the guys who were the best climbers in the world 5 years ago. Look at S.Yates, Carapaz and Hindley and Mas.
They have not actually got any worse in terms of the times they are putting up really vs ~2-3 years ago. Some have even improved. But there are a few teams whose entire teams are just all improving at a level that does not seem normal given age curves, the fact V02 max doesn't improve over age, and they are not shedding pound after pound to improve their watts/kg. How are these VAMs possible?
Even as a kid during Armstrong I was one of the kids in high school who would not wear a yellow wristband because, well, speaking to my dad at the time? It was too good to be true given what we knew... and this is making some of the things back then look human.
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Landa is a good yardstick, considering he's been a top climber for a long time, keeping his level comparable to the top climbers the wole time. Somehow he's gained climbing form that would have buried Froome at 34yo and no real change in body shape without gaining ground on the absolute best
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Hey guys, I just spent 5 minutes in my garage running the exhaust in my car. Then I went out and set a PR on some local mountains! Seriously though, do not do this
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one day the Idiot Fattie Masters Doper thread will be bumped and there will be a post about some poor guy who killed himself trying to CO dope
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yeah this is really interesting to think about. if you go back to when he almost podiumed the Tour, on his best climbs he was probably close to a full 1w/kg lower than he was today, yet he is 4 minutes down the road. and he was 7 years younger. it shows just how potent whatever these guys are taking is. they are putting out absolutely huge watts.
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