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If people believe Vingegaard could have been at Pog's level without his Itzulia crash, then the implication is even more insane, i.e. we'd be looking at two riders putting almost ten minutes into the rider sitting third... who himself is ten minutes ahead of fourth.

There's an almost 20 minute gap between first & the fourth rider (Almeida who himself is Pog's teammate).

I bet Ineos never imagined Rodriguez would finish 25 minutes down & somehow still be 7th in GC.
 
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Rackham said:
If people believe Vingegaard could have been at Pog's level without his Itzulia crash, then the implication is even more insane, i.e. we'd be looking at two riders putting almost ten minutes into the rider sitting third... who himself is ten minutes ahead of fourth.

There's an almost 20 minute gap between first & the fourth rider (Almeida who himself is Pog's teammate).

I bet Ineos never imagined Rodriguez would finish 25 minutes down & somehow still be 7th in GC.
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The gaps to guys outside top3 are comical. This is like the Coppi era! In this Tour we actually had the battle of three mutants (including one uber-mutant). And yes, it's quite possible that there would be two uber-mutants (and one smaller) if Vingo was prepared perfectly. But it's ridiculous anyway. The next year's edition will be ever scarier, methinks. Teddy vs Skeletor: the ultimate battle!
 
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Barnacle Bill said:
I feel like UAE have been holding back a bit this year, for the sake of appearances. I hope next year they go full out all season, no gifts, no apologies, unleash all the boys, "let it rip".


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Winning the TDF GC, team title 3 riders in top 10(6!!) And without Covid probably another in top ten!! They better not try any harder!!they rode great all 3 weeks!!
 
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Rackham said:
If people believe Vingegaard could have been at Pog's level without his Itzulia crash, then the implication is even more insane, i.e. we'd be looking at two riders putting almost ten minutes into the rider sitting third... who himself is ten minutes ahead of fourth.

There's an almost 20 minute gap between first & the fourth rider (Almeida who himself is Pog's teammate).

I bet Ineos never imagined Rodriguez would finish 25 minutes down & somehow still be 7th in GC.
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Both Remco and Vingo lacked the base form due to their crashes (and Remco's pie and strudel eating)

Next year should be an absolute cracker
 
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houtdffan said:
Both Remco and Vingo lacked the base form due to their crashes (and Remco's pie and strudel eating)

Next year should be an absolute cracker
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If that's what the future holds, I question the prospective entertainment value of the product.

Imagine 3 riders 20 minutes ahead of everyone else, i.e. with the domestiques of the 3 super mutants in the first non-podium positions & then some hapless Ineos guy half an hour down asking himself why he even became a pro-cyclist in the first place.

I hate to be the guy who says these top teams are killing the sport but seriously, they'll kill the sport if this continues.

It's not cycling.
 
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repoman said:
No. It's used as a bronchodilator, so it can expand bronchi that's constricted from asthma, but it won't expand bronchi past a baseline.
The testing of this substance is bad too, with control getting basically impossible results (athletes administered a set amount, and the test gave out results that indicated the test subject took 800% more than was administered.


"This comment is an indirect result of a study by Martineauet al. [9], published in 1992, that demonstrated that 16 mg of long-acting oral salbutamol was distinctly anabolic. That oral salbutamol can improve exercise performance has been confirmed in subsequent publications [10]. In a 2007 review, Kindermann [11] noted that numerous studies had demonstrated that inhaled salbutamol does not enhance sports performance. Subsequent published research has tended to confirm this fact in doses of up to 1600 μg in 24 h [12]."

16mg is a TON of the substance.
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This is sort of quirky. I had surgery to repair my oblique muscle and umbilical hernia, I was prescribed a rescue inhaler in both a nebulizer and tablet form. I suffer from seasonal allergies that are really only present early in the morning. Doctor knows that I cough really hard occasionally in the morning for a few minutes. Doctors fearing I would tear surgical repairs from a few strong coughs. During training I have also occasionally used a bronchodilators in nebulizer and tablet forms. I have never ridden at a high level, like Froome or Wiggins, but anecdotally I feel a respiratory benefit.. Not sure if I can separate ( I can't!!) what is happening? Am I getting more oxygen? Unscientific.. Feels like it..
I have raced and trained with dozens of people who used nebulizer versions and they didn't always light me up.
Like I said, no science, but when I use the drugs I feel like I am getting more oxygen, when I use tablet form..I can just breathe and don't feel anything different.
 
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Rackham said:
If that's what the future holds, I question the prospective entertainment value of the product.

Imagine 3 riders 20 minutes ahead of everyone else, i.e. with the domestiques of the 3 super mutants in the first non-podium positions & then some hapless Ineos guy half an hour down asking himself why he even became a pro-cyclist in the first place.

I hate to be the guy who says these top teams are killing the sport but seriously, they'll kill the sport if this continues.

It's not cycling.
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Just look at who the 3 super teams are

Lampre-Sanuer-Duval
Robberbank
Mapei

They were among the biggest nuke throwers. Surprised they are using anti matter or stronger now?
 
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Froome said:
I am very curious to see what will happen to cycling in next 5/10 years. How this will end?

It will be normal for top riders doing close to 8 w/kg in 40 minutes in 5/10 years?
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Ever since Remco did well over 7 w/kg in CSS 2 years ago and then basically did a 45km ITT 2 minutes faster than the peloton, the arms race has been on. That race seems to be the delineation point between the usual cycling stuff and the all out arms race we have seen
 
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This is sort of quirky. I had surgery to repair my oblique muscle and umbilical hernia, I was prescribed a rescue inhaler in both a nebulizer and tablet form. I suffer from seasonal allergies that are really only present early in the morning. Doctor knows that I cough really hard occasionally in the morning for a few minutes. Doctors fearing I would tear surgical repairs from a few strong coughs. During training I have also occasionally used a bronchodilators in nebulizer and tablet forms. I have never ridden at a high level, like Froome or Wiggins, but anecdotally I feel a respiratory benefit.. Not sure if I can separate ( I can't!!) what is happening? Am I getting more oxygen? Unscientific.. Feels like it..
I have raced and trained with dozens of people who used nebulizer versions and they didn't always light me up.
Like I said, no science, but when I use the drugs I feel like I am getting more oxygen, when I use tablet form..I can just breathe and don't feel anything different.
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Your bronchii are being inflamed from intense cardiovascular activity. This is exercise induced asthma, if you were competing in sanctioned races you'd be able to get a TUE for this. Tons of athletes use these bronchodialators for that, it's legal.
 
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Rackham said:
If that's what the future holds, I question the prospective entertainment value of the product.

Imagine 3 riders 20 minutes ahead of everyone else, i.e. with the domestiques of the 3 super mutants in the first non-podium positions & then some hapless Ineos guy half an hour down asking himself why he even became a pro-cyclist in the first place.

I hate to be the guy who says these top teams are killing the sport but seriously, they'll kill the sport if this continues.

It's not cycling.
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I've been watching cycling for about 20/25 years, and yeah.. this doesn't really feel right.
My doubts were raised a couple of years ago but they were only that, doubts. That ITT from Vingo last year really made my alarmbells go off. This Tour? Fuggedaboudit.
I really hope it's nutrition, science and all of that, but my gut tells me something different.
 
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What if it's morals that keeps some teams behind? Not like anti doping morals but possibly doctors who refuses to use the new stuff as they deem it to unsafe? Maybe Ineos is there right now? One DS wanting a new less scrupulous doc while the other wants it etc?

There should be extra splits between, but also within teams and more bad blood than usual in times like this, no?

For all I care the QS Visma merger, Cummins kicked out etc?

There will be a Betsy Andrew somewhere.
 
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