Steffen Kjaergaard - the naive and innocent Norwegian? ;)

[Fidolix]

But atleast the Norwegians journos are asking critical questions, just to bad we still have the omerta also in Norway, Tiedeman Hansen stops the critical questioning.

 

[torkil]

How many of the Norwegians were prosecuted, even investigated?
None, and still you claim the Norwegian anti doping agency do a better job than most others. That makes sense.

Yesterday Inggard Lereim, one of the most experienced norwegian anti-doping officials stated that he did not beleive any norwegian cyclist had been doping. They do a horrible job.

 

[Lukenwolf]

 

[MrRoboto]

Interesting, a non-responder to EPO and transfusions? Even if he has a natural Hct of 52, there would still be options to take advantages.

He didn't really say that though. He said he never got transfusions at US Postal, just microdoses of EPO. He said he quit doing it because he didn't feel they gave him much of a boost anymore.

He seemed quite believable, except that he wouldn't name any names. Only that belgian doctor. He named Del Moral after some questions though.

 

[mikkemus23]

I get the distinct impression Norwegians are just plain better at not littering proof of their doping all over the road and the internet. When they shut their mouth, it's for a large part to protect compatriots. A seperate Norwegian omerta I suppose. If if now USPS is thrown under the bus. Bad, bad Americans. They made the strong Norwegian dirty.

I don`t think that is very precise. He confessed to have started doping in 1998, when part of a Danish team.

 

[Fidolix]

You just answered why norwegian didn't win anything in the 1980s. Please name some of many you claim have been doping. There are some for sure but you must have some names.

No, I just told you how useless the Norwegian anti doping agency truely is, or corrupt if you like.
Based on several medical studies in the Nordic ski disciplines, the evidence suggests its more than likely most of the skiers are doped, just as in cycling.
That Norway haven´t been able to catch even one (or wanted to), is a farce, it would be like saying Armstrong never doped course he was never tested positive. In my opinion the Norwegian anti doping agency is just as corrupt as any other, if not more.

The only 2 athletes they have ever been able to catch in the Nordic disciplines, - to my knowledge, are the ski jumpers Tom Aage Aarnes and Lars Bystøl.
It´s even more pathetic than what UCI have achieved.

 

[IFRider]

Apopros of nothing much: The Norwegian fans who follow cycling, such as those at the Tour de France, are some of the most fun and passionate fans we encounter when we're following races. They fill the campsites and the roadsides.

 

[Knutsen]

He claims to have been clean in his two first years as a pro. Like many good norwegian amateurs he went nowhere when he became a pro.

As I'v seen elsewhere he considred quitting when he got an offer from Kim Andersens Chicy World. There he started doping. Pre Postal that is.

The Kim Andersen link is of course the interesting one. The ex-doper who after Chicy World was DS at Team Fakta (Arvesen one of the riders), and then of course became DS at CSC. And still around..

 

[Fidolix]

He claims to have been clean in his two first years as a pro. Like many good norwegian amateurs he went nowhere when he became a pro.

As I'v seen elsewhere he considred quitting when he got an offer from Kim Andersens Chicy World. There he started doping. Pre Postal that is.

The Kim Andersen link is of course the interesting one. The ex-doper who after Chicy World was DS at Team Fakta (Arvesen one of the riders), and then of course became DS at CSC. And still around..

I think he said he started before chicky world, on TVM?

 

[Knutsen]

I think he said he started before chicky world, on TVM?

If so, my bad. I tought he was clean at TVM..

 

[acesand]

You could tell that Steffen was lying when asked about other riders. He either didn't remember or replied "not to my knowledge" at the start. Toward the end of the interview he did give hints that he would "reflect more openly" towards the Norwegian Antidoping agency, until he was cut off by the Norwegian Cycling President. It is obvious that omerta is still strong.

 

[MrRoboto]

I think he said he started before chicky world, on TVM?

No. He said he was clean on TVM. The directeur sportif and team doctor pretty much told him to go home and get another job after a longer talk with them.

 

[acesand]

I think he said he started before chicky world, on TVM?

He said he was clean on TVM.

 

[Knutsen]

"He said that for the first two years of professional career, the TVM team, experienced a "dirty game" he was unprepared for the future as an amateur in Norway.

- When the year was done, where I was completely clean and did not use illegal drugs, so I took a piece of choice in the 1998 season, that if I would be part of this race on so I was forced to take part in the terms I felt that the Council in the field. On his own initiative, I went then to the acquisition of EPO, he said."

 

[Fidolix]

Apopros of nothing much: The Norwegian fans who follow cycling, such as those at the Tour de France, are some of the most fun and passionate fans we encounter when we're following races. They fill the campsites and the roadsides.

I was stationed in Thule for 3 years, and prior to that been visiting 8 or 9 times, I love the country, but when it comes to their athletes they go ballistic, and not always in a good manner, I truly believe they cover up or simply avoid testing as they are supposed to, and I think my previous posts clearly suggest there's some truth to that believe.

 

[Fidolix]

"He said that for the first two years of professional career, the TVM team, experienced a "dirty game" he was unprepared for the future as an amateur in Norway.

- When the year was done, where I was completely clean and did not use illegal drugs, so I took a piece of choice in the 1998 season, that if I would be part of this race on so I was forced to take part in the terms I felt that the Council in the field. On his own initiative, I went then to the acquisition of EPO, he said."

Ok thanks, my Norwegian is a bit rusty, thanks for clearing it up. And he also says it was on his own initiative, so really no need to implicate Kim Andersen, though I wouldn´t be surprised if he had his dirty fingers in it.

 

[Knutsen]

...until he was cut off by the Norwegian Cycling President. It is obvious that omerta is still strong.

Dont think that is about omerta. It's about protecting the guy. Maybe wrongly so, but still.

He was a marked man, one thing is confessing himself, another ting is giving other names in an open press conference.

His confession is all to late, but still good. We are waiting for all the other "anonymous" riders in the USADA-papers.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

lol. he was not naive. he started riding pro for TVM for God sakes! That's prolly one reason why Johan brought him into USPS, knowing he had already bought in to the doping culture and doping program run by TVM.

 

[Knutsen]

I was stationed in Thule for 3 years, and prior to that been visiting 8 or 9 times...

Thule in Norway, that is?

 

[Velo1ticker]

No, I just told you how useless the Norwegian anti doping agency truely is, or corrupt if you like.
Based on several medical studies in the Nordic ski disciplines, the evidence suggests its more than likely most of the skiers are doped, just as in cycling.
That Norway haven´t been able to catch even one (or wanted to), is a farce, it would be like saying Armstrong never doped course he was never tested positive. In my opinion the Norwegian anti doping agency is just as corrupt as any other, if not more.

The only 2 athletes they have ever been able to catch in the Nordic disciplines, - to my knowledge, are the ski jumpers Tom Aage Aarnes and Lars Bystøl.
It´s even more pathetic than what UCI have achieved.

Wow you could name two skijumpers (cannabis and amfethamine). If you bother to check the facts you'll find out that the nowegian agency are catching more (norwegian) cheaters than internatinal angecies. We're all happy about that because it means we do take this seriously. Come on, a pothead and a speedfeak that's nothing - nothing! Name all those EPO users you claim we have in Norway - or did you lie?

 

[JPM London]

Ok thanks, my Norwegian is a bit rusty, thanks for clearing it up. And he also says it was on his own initiative, so really no need to implicate Kim Andersen, though I wouldn´t be surprised if he had his dirty fingers in it.

Yeah, quite an easy link, isn't it - Mouton infamous doctor for just about every Danish pro in the nineties. Danish team, Danish DS - who probably used Mouton himself...

Just as a funny side-bit - as far as I know Mouton is today no longer involved in cycling, but in anti-ageing medicine. A different kind of doping some would say

 

[Fidolix]

Thule in Norway, that is?

Norway? No, I was stationed at Thule airbase in Greenland but lent out to Nato Kolsås and had my residence just outside Oslo in those 3 years.

 

[Fidolix]

Yeah, quite an easy link, isn't it - Mouton infamous doctor for just about every Danish pro in the nineties. Danish team, Danish DS - who probably used Mouton himself...

Just as a funny side-bit - as far as I know Mouton is today no longer involved in cycling, but in anti-ageing medicine. A different kind of doping some would say

lol I didn´t know that, good for him, perhaps his wife can benefit from it.

 

[MrRoboto]

He said he went to Mouton by his own initiative, after hearing talk about him. He wouldn't really specify that, but I'm guessing he heard it from his teammates (Even though he didn't really make that impression). He also got questions about if Kim Andersen knew he doped while on the team. He very obviously lied when he answered that.

 

[neineinei]

Kjærgaards predecessor, Svein Gaute Hølestøl, says he knew of Kjærgaards doping from the very start. He was in the room with Kjærgaard at Dr. Mouton when they were offered EPO. Hølestøl declined the offer. They were there for an anti-doping test.

http://www.rogalandsavis.no/sport/article6302196.ece
http://nrk.no/sport/sykkel/1.8369138