Steven Kruijswijk

[SeriousSam]

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it is one big blow in the nuts for rcs that kruiswijk wins this. and absolute nobody with zero personality and flair. it's worse than hesjedal I'd say. so they try to make that he doesn't have a chance.

I've been thinking this since Landa dropped out Im glad someone else agrees and Im not nuts. This is very similar to Horner and Hesjedal's GT in that I don't think it will count as a real win because they are unpopular guys.

Yes, the case could be made that Landa's exit asterisked this Giro.

 

[dacooley]

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He's gonna win this giro easy now. Piti will help him too since he wants to secure his podium. I think this race is over

indeed. It has to be some bad timed misfortune or a freak incident to take away the maglia from Kruijswijk at this point- He has enough buffer against Chavito

Congrats to all the Dutch fans

I won't cheer until he finishes first in GC in Torino.

Dude, he's not gonna win that bunch sprint, get over it.

his team generally makes a stage win hardly achievable.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Could Landa have beaten him?

Hard to say since he looked not at his best in the first week. ..

 

[dacooley]

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it is one big blow in the nuts for rcs that kruiswijk wins this. and absolute nobody with zero personality and flair. it's worse than hesjedal I'd say. so they try to make that he doesn't have a chance.

I've been thinking this since Landa dropped out Im glad someone else agrees and Im not nuts. This is very similar to Horner and Hesjedal's GT in that I don't think it will count as a real win because they are unpopular guys.

it smells like double standarts. so if nibs had outclassed the field, that would be alright, while kruijswijk doing the same is lame. what you've been saying will work only for immature overly emotional cycling fans.

 

[hrotha]

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Could Landa have beaten him?

Hard to say since he looked not at his best in the first week. ..

It's pointless anyway. There's always one favourite or another missing, and this is as true this year as last year.

 

[Gloin22]

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it is one big blow in the nuts for rcs that kruiswijk wins this. and absolute nobody with zero personality and flair. it's worse than hesjedal I'd say. so they try to make that he doesn't have a chance.

I've been thinking this since Landa dropped out Im glad someone else agrees and Im not nuts. This is very similar to Horner and Hesjedal's GT in that I don't think it will count as a real win because they are unpopular guys.

Lol WTF

Why the *** does anyone bother racing

Let Froome, Nibali and Contador ride one MTF each for Giro, Tour and Vuelta and get it over and done with. Determine the winner. Only the top 3 can win GT, otherwise it's blasphemy.

 

[classicomano]

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it is one big blow in the nuts for rcs that kruiswijk wins this. and absolute nobody with zero personality and flair. it's worse than hesjedal I'd say. so they try to make that he doesn't have a chance.

I've been thinking this since Landa dropped out Im glad someone else agrees and Im not nuts. This is very similar to Horner and Hesjedal's GT in that I don't think it will count as a real win because they are unpopular guys.

In fact, this win wil be asterixed, just like Dumoulin's prologue win!

 

[BigMac]

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it is one big blow in the nuts for rcs that kruiswijk wins this. and absolute nobody with zero personality and flair. it's worse than hesjedal I'd say. so they try to make that he doesn't have a chance.

I wondered when you were going to start trashing Kruijswijk.

To be fair to Ryo he seems to be complimenting Kruijswijk. In some way.

 

[staubsauger]

Landa has been worse than Kruijswijk climbing wise this Giro. Yes, it's likely that he would've went on being the better climber without his illness. But that's not what happened. So that point ain't hardly valid and in fact is really unfair towards Kruijswijk!

 

[SeriousSam]

It's not unfair, it's just embracing all the information, all of the context. And preserving some of it for posterity using an asterisk

 

[Miburo]

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It's not unfair, it's just embracing all the information, all of the context. And preserving some of it for posterity using an asterisk

Do we need an asterisk for this one too?

 

[Gloin22]

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It's not unfair, it's just embracing all the information, all of the context. And preserving some of it for posterity using an asterisk

You should go to Wikipedia and starting asterisking every GT race in history.

Since you know, in basically all at least one favourite crashes or get injured.

 

[Kwibus]

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it is one big blow in the nuts for rcs that kruiswijk wins this. and absolute nobody with zero personality and flair. it's worse than hesjedal I'd say. so they try to make that he doesn't have a chance.

I've been thinking this since Landa dropped out Im glad someone else agrees and Im not nuts. This is very similar to Horner and Hesjedal's GT in that I don't think it will count as a real win because they are unpopular guys.

Yes, the case could be made that Landa's exit asterisked this Giro.

Im not sure why I reply to a Serioussam post, but all this crap discussions on this forum about "what if this rider didnt crash, what if the rider didnt get ill, what if this rider wasn't an idiot" are so freaking pointless and don't matter when the prices are handed out.

 

[Miburo]

In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

 

[Poursuivant]

Kruijswijk is by far and away the strojgest rider in this race. Another plus for him is someone like Valverde won't sacrifice his podium to bring him down. Only a crash can stop him now, imo.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

Yeah but then we can asterisk Nibali's GT wins as well. What if Anton didn't fall in that Vuelta. What if all the favorites didn't fall in that Tour where *** Peraud finished 2nd

 

[Valv.Piti]

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In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

Indeed, Nibali's victory is still being asterisked regularly on this forum by many

 

[Kwibus]

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In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

I would feel crap, but speculating about "what if" with 9 race days left is pointless.
If Kruijswijk crashes out during the final stage then I think anyone has all reason to say " what if" because the race is pretty much decided by then.

So if Landa dropped out ill with 1 stage to go in the pink jersey...yeah it's obvious. Now he dropped out with 2 weeks to go not impressing besides a good TT for his standards. For all we know he would've lost minutes to Corvara, or he would be in pink with 3 minutes on the next one. It's just wild guessing though and completely pointless to discuss.

 

[Miburo]

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In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

Yeah but then we can asterisk Nibali's GT wins as well. What if Anton didn't fall in that Vuelta. What if all the favorites didn't fall in that Tour where **** Peraud finished 2nd

I agree man. I mean don't we all give nibali *** for winning his Gt's when the main guys crash out?

And please don't get me started on that tour of 2014. If Contador and Froome didn't crash out, it would have been the greatest tour since 2003, prob way better than that tour.

And it was a good route too, it depresses me.

Still not over it

Edit: i actually prefer 2006 tour over 2003. *** landis man

 

[PremierAndrew]

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In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

Yeah but then we can asterisk Nibali's GT wins as well. What if Anton didn't fall in that Vuelta. What if all the favorites didn't fall in that Tour where **** Peraud finished 2nd

Well Nibali's GT wins are asterisked.

He's failed in this Giro despite Landa dropping out, couldn't beat a 42 year old in the Vuelta when he was very near top form (if he wasn't totally in top form), lost 3 mins to Froome at the Tour whilst towing Brad around France and let's not get started on the 2011 Vuelta

For these reasons, I will never consider Nibali to have been a truly exceptional rider, even though his palmares would show that he's one of 22 riders in history to win 3 or more GTs, one of 6 to win each grand tour and a monument winner to boot

 

[WillemS]

I think asterisks can only truly be appointed retroactively. As you can't beat people who aren't competing only time will tell if this was relatively lucky win due to fortunate circumstances or if he's able to be in contention for a GC win year after year.

I think he will be able to be a genuine repeat contender for the Giro and the Vuelta and he should be able to race for top 5 in the Tour. Last year, he lost all of his time in the first week and could have been in contention, I think, if he had not. I think he would have had a shot at the podium. If he comes back next year and battles for the pink again, I wouldn't want to asterisk his victory this year. He would be a genuine GC contender.

 

[Forever The Best]

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In all fairness, it's ok to be frustrated when your rider falls our for a stupid reason. and that you start speculating.

Imagine Kwibus, if Kruiswuijk dropped out last thursday with a crash. How would you feel? It's completely normal and human to have these emotions. You just can't help yourself

Yeah but then we can asterisk Nibali's GT wins as well. What if Anton didn't fall in that Vuelta. What if all the favorites didn't fall in that Tour where **** Peraud finished 2nd

Well Nibali's GT wins are asterisked.

He's failed in this Giro despite Landa dropping out, couldn't beat a 42 year old in the Vuelta when he was very near top form (if he wasn't totally in top form), lost 3 mins to Froome at the Tour whilst towing Brad around France and let's not get started on the 2011 Vuelta

For these reasons, I will never consider Nibali to have been a truly exceptional rider, even though his palmares would show that he's one of 22 riders in history to win 3 or more GTs, one of 6 to win each grand tour and a monument winner to boot

Horner in the Vuelta was as good as Froome Tour that year

 

[hrotha]

What if Landa's 2015 podium is asterisked.

 

[Red Rick]

Lol at asterisks. Really, you can't beat who's not there, and you can't beat riders in top form when they're crap. Seriously. This should be asterisk'd because Landa crashed out?? Landa, the guy who got one GT podium prior to that, whilst Kruijswijk is beating riders who have won GTs and even Nibali, who's won them all?

It's utter horsecrap. You know that too, but your favourite rider crashed out/isn't there/is crap so a rider you don't like wins. boo *** hoo

 

[Forever The Best]

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Lol at asterisks. Really, you can't beat who's not there, and you can't beat riders in top form when they're crap. Seriously. This should be asterisk'd because Landa crashed out?? Landa, the guy who got one GT podium prior to that, whilst Kruijswijk is beating riders who have won GTs and even Nibali, who's won them all?

It's utter horsecrap. You know that too, but your favourite rider crashed out/isn't there/is crap so a rider you don't like wins. boo **** hoo

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