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May 26, 2010
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"UNCP head Chanteur says cyclists are men, not guinea pigs

The French professional cyclists’ union (UNCP) has voiced its opposition to the introduction of night time anti-doping testing during races and called for an end to riders being treated as “guinea pigs.”"

stop taking dope, stop being tested. Easy!

worrying if the french, the 'allegedly clean' members of the peloton are up in arms about this?
 
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Benotti69 said:
worrying if the french, the 'allegedly clean' members of the peloton are up in arms about this?
If you were clean as many of the French are said to be wouldnt you be XXXXXX off at being woke up in the middle of the night because others arnt?
The fight against doping has to show respect to those who are clean even if that sometimes means forgoing what , on paper at least, makes sence in the fight against doping.
The rights of the innocent must never be abused in persuance of the guilty.
 
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He is saying more than that...

«Des «observateurs indépendants» auraient rendu un rapport sur les contrôles antidopage effectués pendant le Tour de France, qui conduit aujourd'hui l'AMA à envisager de faire procéder à des contrôles, moins prévisibles et plus agressifs, y compris la nuit.

Les coureurs professionnels français ont appris cette information avec stupeur et dépit, et par le biais de l'UNCP, leur Syndicat professionnel, ils font connaître leur opposition formelle à cette perspective.

Avec tous les moyens mis en ouvre depuis des années, les contrôles anti-dopage ont porté leurs fruits.

Aujourd'hui les instances au plus haut niveau disposent de paramètres et résultats d'analyse qui leur permettent de cibler des sportifs suspects ou sérieusement compromis.
Que ceux-ci soient traqués comme ils le méritent ne serait que légitime, pourvu que ces dispositions nouvelles ne s'appliquent que sur la base de données sérieuses et de doutes avérés.

Mais en aucun cas de façon systématique et aveugle, et surtout pas à l'égard des coureurs qui se comportent de façon honnête.

Faut-il rappeler que les coureurs cyclistes, ardents défenseurs du cyclisme, respectueux de leur public, de leurs Groupes cyclistes et de leurs Sponsors, se sont résolument et volontairement engagés dans une action de longue durée de réforme et d'assainissement de ce sport qui est avant tout leur métier?

Faut-il rappeler que pour mener à bien cette action, qui incontestablement commence à porter ses fruits, les coureurs consacrent une partie de leurs revenus à la lutte anti-dopage?
Faut-il rappeler qu'ils se soumettent spontanément à un suivi médical astreignant, à un passeport biologique, à des contrôles inopinés qui les conduit à se localiser pour contrôle éventuel, 12 mois sur 12, 7 jours sur 7, 24h sur 24h auprès de l'UCI pour être accessibles, à tout instant dans leur vie professionnelle et privée?
Faut-il rappeler que certaines incohérences du système ont conduit des coureurs à subir deux prises de sang dans la même journée! qu'un coureur affirme qu'entre tests sanguins et urinaires il a été contrôlé 70 fois dans l'année! que les contrôles peuvent être effectués n'importe où, n'importe quand de 6h à 22h!
Faut-il rappeler que si le dopage, qui ne sévit pas que dans le vélo, est un fléau, et la lutte anti-dopage est par ailleurs un secteur économique très lucratif?
Faut-il rappeler que d'autres sports s'opposent à ce principe de localisation que d'ailleurs aucun citoyen n'accepterait au motif, vrai, du droit élémentaire au respect de sa vie privée?

Faut-il rappeler que les coureurs sont excédés de passer pour des bandits de grand chemin, atteints de présomption de culpabilité? Qu'ils sont avant tout des hommes et pas seulement des cobayes.
Faut-il le rappeler? Oui sans doute puisque le public qui reste fidèle aux coureurs méconnait encore trop les contraintes qui leur sont imposées.
Oui sans doute puisque des chroniqueurs de la Presse écrite ou parlée se font facilement la part belle en brocardant le vélo dans son ensemble.
Oui sans doute puisque d'autres instances sportives de haut niveau savent mieux que nous trouver des arguments pour la mansuétude face à des «étourderies» commises par leurs athlètes.
D'aucuns commencent à dire que le cyclisme est en avance dans la lutte anti-dopage et qu'un jour on en reconnaitra le mérite. La belle affaire d'être précurseurs si cette longueur d'avance a pour première conséquence le discrédit du vélo que nous aimons!

A quand un organisme neutre international chargé d'appliquer un code mondial antidopage pour que tous les athlètes mondiaux soient égaux devant les contrôles et les sanctions, et qu'ainsi le grand public puisse comparer objectivement la culpabilité des sportifs qui gravitent désormais dans un monde où l'argent est le nerf de la guerre.

Alors non! En réaffirmant notre accord pour la politique anti-dopage, nous vous demandons aussi de nous laisser un peu la paix ne serait-ce que la nuit pour dormir!

Il y a une limite à tout, surtout à l'indécence, et à force de gravir les échelons de l'inacceptable il arrive que l'on atteigne le dernier barreau.

C'est fait.
Si l'AMA devait persévérer dans cette intention de contrôles inopinés de nuit elle se heurterait à la résistance des coureurs.

Ils savent se battre sur les routes de montagne. Sur d'autres terrains aussi.




Pascal CHANTEUR
Président de l'UNCP
Highligting and color are from me.

Here a resume of the highlighted part.

First black bolded part :
controls are now enough efficient to detect dopers. They can be targeted by the new proposals if it's done when certainty level is high enough.

Second blue bolded part:
The honest riders don't have to be targeted.

For the rest, it's more a summary to prove that cycling is doing much more than any other sport and reporters have to be fair with them and not be blind about other sports.
 
May 26, 2010
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Darryl Webster said:
If you were clean as many of the French are said to be wouldnt you be XXXXXX off at being woke up in the middle of the night because others arnt?
no because it would be used to target those suspected dopers or if you are P McQuaid those who have not contributed to your ever growing pension account:rolleyes: and none of them are french

Darryl Webster said:
The fight against doping has to show respect to those who are clean even if that sometimes means forgoing what , on paper at least, makes sence in the fight against doping.

The rights of the innocent must never be abused in persuance of the guilty.
as the sex pistols slogan went 'No one is innocent'
 
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Benotti69 said:
no because it would be used to target those suspected dopers or if you are P McQuaid those who have not contributed to your ever growing pension account:rolleyes: and none of them are french



as the sex pistols slogan went 'No one is innocent'
Would you take any notice of the Butter advertising (on British TV) "Jonny Rotten"...who rather ironicly has become everything he correctlly dispised in Malcolm McClaren, there manager who claimed to have "manufactured them"?

Sadly that scumbag has been proven correct.:rolleyes:

VERY selected targeting , ie the riders bio passport is screaming doped I would agree to ;)
 
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Darryl Webster said:
Would you take any notice of the Butter advertising (on British TV) "Jonny Rotten"...who rather ironicly has become everything he correctlly dispised in Malcolm McClaren, there manager who claimed to have "manufactured them"?

Sadly that scumbag has been proven correct.:rolleyes:

VERY selected targeting , ie the riders bio passport is screaming doped I would agree to ;)
i dont believe that Lydon has strayed far from his beliefs. check out his website.

The late night testing i hope would be done where they have very very good reason to suspect a rider and not riders who are not affecting results. It would have to be team leaders and their lieutenants
 
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My suggestion would be the top 20 riders be subjected to this. Obviously the ones outside the top 20 aren't the ones who are doped.
 
Jun 22, 2009
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Kodiak said:
My suggestion would be the top 20 riders be subjected to this. Obviously the ones outside the top 20 aren't the ones who are doped.
...but on the outside chance that a clean rider occupies a top 20 position they would be "punished" the most according to DW. ie that would be the greatest injustice and dopers still might not get caught.

although i understand DW's logic i don't totally agree with it. i don't have a huge problem with night time controls within reason. in fact, if i were a clean rider who's willing to train/eat/breathe cycling year round for a decade in order to get to the top tier without drugs, i think i'd be willing to go to bed an hour early so that the authorities can remove a few guys who are cheating me out of a potential fortune. :cool:
 
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lean said:
...but on the outside chance that a clean rider occupies a top 20 position they would be "punished" the most according to DW. ie that would be the greatest injustice and dopers still might not get caught.

although i understand DW's logic i don't totally agree with it. i don't have a huge problem with night time controls within reason. in fact, if i were a clean rider who's willing to train/eat/breathe cycling year round for a decade in order to get to the top tier without drugs, i think i'd be willing to go to bed an hour early so that the authorities can remove a few guys who are cheating me out of a potential fortune. :cool:
I`d agee TBH...in the current climate of deep mistrust clean riders must expect to pay a price to restore some credibility..perhaps when those riders begin to outnumber those upholding the silence a revolt might be on the cards.
If the scene is anything like it was late 80`s theres more frustrated Kimmages in the peloton than you might imagine. Most just turn there back on the whole thing.
Have to say of late my position towards dopers has hardened...even on this subject.I started out thinking of the inocent more than the guilty .
But of late ive come to see the generations of true PEDS...the steroids and the EPO HGH etc have been no differant to theft..theft of the clean atletes careers and thus should be viewed as such.
It aint the same as the "professional foul"....for which we have minor penaties.
Its outright steeling.
 
3 a.m. doping controls is simply wrong, sinister and probably illegal if challenged. Jeez, I would like to see doping eradicated as much as anyone but there are limits and surely that is one too far. Besides, what would you have to take to get back to sleep:cool: Or, after a 3 a.m. test, take to get up and running (cycling) in the morning;)
 
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howman's comments

Darryl Webster said:
I`d agee TBH...in the current climate of deep mistrust clean riders must expect to pay a price to restore some credibility..perhaps when those riders begin to outnumber those upholding the silence a revolt might be on the cards.
If the scene is anything like it was late 80`s theres more frustrated Kimmages in the peloton than you might imagine. Most just turn there back on the whole thing.
Have to say of late my position towards dopers has hardened...even on this subject.I started out thinking of the inocent more than the guilty .
But of late ive come to see the generations of true PEDS...the steroids and the EPO HGH etc have been no differant to theft..theft of the clean atletes careers and thus should be viewed as such.
It aint the same as the "professional foul"....for which we have minor penaties.
Its outright steeling.
i think the initial reaction a lot of people have to night time controls has been too knee-jerk and simplistic. i have to admit that i'm suprised by how strongly people who are staunchly anti-doping have criticized the approach.

i'm quite glad to see howman has clarified things a bit today. he's slyly distanced WADA from the suggestion in the IO report but supported the spirit of it. he's further clarified that maybe the first step is to just open the window of night time testing a little, not necessarily 3 am but to extend the hours within which a doping control can take place. i say we pry it open a little and see what comes out of it. if it's too disruptive, we can always make adjustments. i don't think we should downplay landis' contribution here either. this is largely an outgrowth of the IV/EPO microdosing technique he described. a technique in which the most effective drugs are being taken right under our noses. the hours MUST be extended.
 
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If you came to my room in the middle of the night, I'd have to remove my IV's and come out of my oxygen tent. Not cool.
 

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