The Tour doubling the points for the last climb (as per the pre-2011 classification) is fine, however they were not splitting out winning the mountains enough (2nd cats gave 10-9-8-7-6-5 and 1st cats 15-13-11-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 iirc) so accumulating by placements was too easy. In addition, the last climb would still pay those double points even in situations like Tarbes '09 or Pau '10 where it was patently obvious the break would just take it because it was 60-70km to the finish. I'd suggest only doubling the points for summits inside of 30km to go. Also giving bigger bonuses for 1st-2nd-3rd on the summits and trimming down the number of people getting points for each summit.luckyboy said:Simon Clarke is a pretty crummy name to be king of the mountains in any GT.
Probably Edet too.
Otherwise I don't really mind doing things this way, its a nice side-competition.
To 'fix' it all you have to do is double point on every MTF. Or you could only award points for the final climb because that would sure as hell see the best climber win.
But how can you call this years winner a climber when he is 10 minutes down to real climbers today?xanadu said:The variety of jerseys and awards go a long way of enriching the race. Intermediate sprints and combativity awards add a wider dimension to professional races. The sprinters have their competition and i see no reason why the climbers should not have theirs, it`s just a question of tweaking the points formulae so that a credible winner emerges.
I think Mountains classification should be determined by measuring times on classified climbs (or on biggest three if there is more).Fearless Greg Lemond said:Seeing 'superclimber'Arredondo finishing his mountain Time Trial yesterday [ 126 Julian David Arredondo Moreno (Col) Trek Factory Racing 0:12:13 ] and looking at the other stages I came to the conclusion this competition is just a big joke. Look at the Gavia stage, he takes some beautifull points on the Gavia and then:
125 Julian David Arredondo Moreno (Col) Trek Factory Racing 0:44:07
Same goes for the Montecampione stage: 10'56"
Just like last year when superclimber Pirazzi showed the same pattern, Edet at the Vuelta etc etc.
I wont take Moncoutie in this line of reasoning by the way.
Some years are the exception of the rule but over the whole it has become a travesty, merci a Richard Virenque?
Basso actually got a ton of TV time, he always does at the Giro regardless of what he's doing or not doingAapjes said:Just look at Monfort or Basso for instance, 14 and 15 place in the ranking. Zero TV time and no real result for them. Instead they could have gone out in breakaways and at worst, they would be talked about and respected for their efforts. At best, they would have won a nice prize.
Thats why it is a points competition, you don`t have to score every day to take the jersey, its about managing your effort. Its the same rules for everyone, personally i think the prize money should be boosted to get the big guns to come out and play.Fearless Greg Lemond said:But how can you call this years winner a climber when he is 10 minutes down to real climbers today?
And really, Arredondo isnt the worst, recall Mariano fregging Piccoli or Pascal Richard...