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And that's without the breakaway. If he were in it, he would've been on the podium...theoretically.

theoretically, but then vino might have won the giro if he hadnt lost ten minutes.. all hypothetical
 
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Martin =/= clean imo. Come on, father ex-pro, uncle Roche, cousin Nicolas Roche. He was the strongest rider in an u23 Worlds in 2008. No way, you come 2nd in Catalunya GC on bread and water. Now, he perhaps is doing his recovery therapy, and not much boosting.

Wow his uncle is Stephen Roche so he must be doping, now I have heard it all:rolleyes: His father Neil was never a top level pro, he was a pro in the UK for a few seasons, thats it as to what the significance of Nicolas Roche is, I am not sure. If you are saying he claims he wasnt aware of doping in cycling with his background fair enough, but I dont think he has ever claimed that.

I posted earlier but it didnt register due to a problem with my internet and my sentiments have been expressed by others, take Martins performances on Zoncolan & Plan de Cornes, put them in a one week race and I bet he would be somewhere near the top on GC. There are about two, max three really tough days in Cataluyna. Like others I believe there is a world of difference in finishing 2nd in a one week race and competing in GTs.

Now you are downgrading his doping to recovery therapy whilst before he was definitely on the A programme at Garmin. Which is it? This is what annoys so many of us, we are not naive about what is happening in pro cycling but we dont know either what is possible or not possible. None of the guys on Bikepure have produced performances that really raise an eyebrow but the minute anybody does anything significant, some people are shouting doper.

Maybe they are doping, we honestly dont know but I feel they deserve some level of respect before people label them. For all your Lances, Lanids, Vinos, Bassos and many, many others, slander all you want.
 
Roland - I have the jersey, but have to admit I have only worn it a couple of times (I'm older and slower). I bought it to support BP, and to be honest, because it's very nice looking.

Thanks TFF for articulating my feelings on Garmin better than I could. You perfectly summed it up.

I agree with Dim that handing out wrist bands at local races and getting young riders to join on is a key. Older top-tier riders like those mentioned just aren't going to join (would BP even let someone like Lance or Vino join?), but if BP can get a few very talented young riders to join, and they end up growing into champions and continue to be BP members and continue to speak out against doping, then there's a chance to sway the tide further against the omerta, and thus hopefully doping.

I agree though it's a hard sell. I'm not too sure what Europe is like now, but in the US over the last decade or so everything is so cutthroat to get to the top. We're under this "competition is good" mantra that it's taken to the levels of extreme opulence driving the people who aren't cutthroats to poverty. Sorry for that political diatribe, but when it's nearly society wide, it's hard to tell kids getting into pro racing "just ride clean and do your best, that's good enough", and have them believe it while dopers stand on the tops of podiums, get kissed by the girls, and make all the money. :mad:
 
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It's hard to tell kids getting into pro racing "just ride clean and do your best, that's good enough", and have them believe it while dopers stand on the tops of podiums, get kissed by the girls, and make all the money. :mad:

Which is why at that lowel level hopefully they can have some impact. .Certainly in the UK the Downing brothers have if not dominated the domestic scene, have certainly always been there or thereabouts.. if the club level cyclists who aspire to maybe british premier league level can see the likes of Dean and Russ regularly podiuming wearing a BP band it gives them hope.

Its like anything, if the roots are rotten the whole tree will never grow properly. Sort out the various domestic level competitions first, and thats where BP can have some impact. You are never going to change the ways of the older hands, even when i was racing 20 years ago I know bloody well there where some older riders who where only competiting in races with £50 prize money who if not taking illegal drugs were certainly taking stuff on the borderline. You are never going to change those guys. There are always going to be arseholes who think that beating up a bunch of club riders over a 10 mile time trial is something to be proud of. They are always gonna be there, but if the young kids can have role models that show they can win clean then all the better.
 
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I don't really get the point of Bike Pure. I mean, what do they do? Why should I buy a bikepure top or something? If it's just to make a statement, then meh. If the money is used for something positive, then I might consider it.

So how is the money made by bikepure used?
 
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Which is why at that lowel level hopefully they can have some impact. .Certainly in the UK the Downing brothers have if not dominated the domestic scene, have certainly always been there or thereabouts.. if the club level cyclists who aspire to maybe british premier league level can see the likes of Dean and Russ regularly podiuming wearing a BP band it gives them hope.

Its like anything, if the roots are rotten the whole tree will never grow properly. Sort out the various domestic level competitions first, and thats where BP can have some impact. You are never going to change the ways of the older hands, even when i was racing 20 years ago I know bloody well there where some older riders who where only competiting in races with £50 prize money who if not taking illegal drugs were certainly taking stuff on the borderline. You are never going to change those guys. There are always going to be arseholes who think that beating up a bunch of club riders over a 10 mile time trial is something to be proud of. They are always gonna be there, but if the young kids can have role models that show they can win clean then all the better.

Are there any proper dope controls at the premier calendar races though? Here in NL a few teams have sent squads over to the UK (I've been once), and it was always super fast races, no controls, and the same guys with a "reputation" charging off ther front all the time.

Not that there are every any controls at the classics and criteriums here mind....
 
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So how is the money made by bikepure used?

good question.. I cant imagine they make very much. They are registered as non profit making. "All funds go only to helping cycling"
I imagine that what little they do make goes into producing the bands and giving them out etc (they sell the bands for donations but they also give out bands at races, for instance i got provided a tshirt and bands for tommorow. I dont imagine there is much money floating around in bikepure.. i assume there are accounts somewhere.

Dont know about drug testing at british premier calender races etc. might try and find out. never really thought about it. they get random tests like any other cyclist, dont know about at race testing though. certainly didnt see any testing going on on the tour series.
 
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Dont know about drug testing at british premier calender races etc. might try and find out. never really thought about it. they get random tests like any other cyclist, dont know about at race testing though. certainly didnt see any testing going on on the tour series.

I am sure there is doping going on. Plenty of proze money, no controls, and it's faster than Belgium
 
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good question.. I cant imagine they make very much. They are registered as non profit making. "All funds go only to helping cycling"
I imagine that what little they do make goes into producing the bands and giving them out etc (they sell the bands for donations but they also give out bands at races, for instance i got provided a tshirt and bands for tommorow. I dont imagine there is much money floating around in bikepure.. i assume there are accounts somewhere.

Dont know about drug testing at british premier calender races etc. might try and find out. never really thought about it. they get random tests like any other cyclist, dont know about at race testing though. certainly didnt see any testing going on on the tour series.

thanks dim.

The phrase "All funds go only to helping cycling" is too vague for me to be comfortable with the entity. It all looks like a marketing play.
 
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thanks dim.

The phrase "All funds go only to helping cycling" is too vague for me to be comfortable with the entity. It all looks like a marketing play.

I believe that being a non-profit exempt them from taxes if they're an American outfit at least. probably there are similar rules in other countries. If they siphoned of the funds that would be tax fraud and probably regular fraud as well. It's possible of cause, but I don't think "non-profit" ist just a label you can pick because it sounds good.
 
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I believe that being a non-profit exempt them from taxes if they're an American outfit at least. probably there are similar rules in other countries. If they siphoned of the funds that would be tax fraud and probably regular fraud as well. It's possible of cause, but I don't think "non-profit" ist just a label you can pick because it sounds good.

I am not saying that they siphon any revenues or accusing them of tax fraud. But I would like to know where the money is going. You can be a non profit and still pay the employees a hefty salary.

I am more curious as to how the money raised is helping cycling. What are they doing?
 
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I am not saying that they siphon any revenues or accusing them of tax fraud. But I would like to know where the money is going. You can be a non profit and still pay the employees a hefty salary.

I am more curious as to how the money raised is helping cycling. What are they doing?

why not look on the website :D
cyclesport 2.0
future champions program
etc etc..

I dont know the answers, but as i say, i dont imagine there is very much money there..
 
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I believe that being a non-profit exempt them from taxes if they're an American outfit at least. probably there are similar rules in other countries. If they siphoned of the funds that would be tax fraud and probably regular fraud as well. It's possible of cause, but I don't think "non-profit" ist just a label you can pick because it sounds good.

btw I could not find anywhere on the bikepure.org site their tax situation or where they are registered as a non-profit.

They have the tag line at the bottom 'Bike Pure is an independent, non profit organisation, committed to redirecting trust to Professional cycle sport.'

but no other information.
 
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The problem with Bikepure and why, for instance, Team Sky haven't signed up as a team is because UK Sport have a programme called 100%ME which provides information and encourages athletes to perform drug free. British Cycling have taken this on board and it is an important message in youth cycling. On this basis, the bikepure message doesn't really mean much to most elite British Cyclists as they are already adhering to this policy and anti-doping message. Indeed, the academy often ride in the UK under the team name of 100%ME.

I am all for Bikepure if it helps to drill home the message but all in all I can't help but think it just does what 100%ME is doing but they sell various stuff with the branding on.

Half a dozen Sky riders are a member to BP, and some of them are the British riders.
 

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