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pmcg76 said:Take out the 12 minutes gained on the big breakaway and would he still be Top 10. He did ride an impressive race though for a neo-pro.
good point pmcg.pmcg76 said:Take out the 12 minutes gained on the big breakaway and would he still be Top 10. He did ride an impressive race though for a neo-pro.
I think the hype about another BikePure rider Dan Martin is starting to fade, he rode poorly losing a heap of time in the first two weeks but went very well on Zoncolan and done well on the Plan de Cornes TT but then went back to being not so good. Placing 57th overall is hardly the perfromance of a rider on the Garmin A programme as Blackcat frequently points out.
blackcat said:good point pmcg.
I can tell you the reason why Martin finished a close second at Catalunya and only 57th in the Giro. You interested to know?
Alpe d'Huez said:Believe it or not, I'm not interested.
I'm aggravated at JV, CVV, Martin, and the whole direction Garmin seems to have gone. I was a big supporter of TIAA-Cref and talked with some of those kids at a race once. I even thought Slipstream was okay when JVV spoke out against doping and hired David Milar, but now, they all mostly seem to be just another team, only full of a lot of hot air and empty hopes.
Sorry if it seems like I'm venting on them. It's really late here, and I'm just expressing my disappointment.
pmcg76 said:..
I think the hype about another BikePure rider Dan Martin is starting to fade, he rode poorly losing a heap of time in the first two weeks but went very well on Zoncolan and done well on the Plan de Cornes TT but then went back to being not so good. Placing 57th overall is hardly the perfromance of a rider on the Garmin A programme as Blackcat frequently points out.
bobbins said:Since when is wearing a blue bracelet a sign of being clean? There's plenty of bike pure supporters with dodgy histories. It's just a commercial enterprise that used the 'I support drug free sport' idea and is making money out of it.
blackcat said:good point pmcg.
I can tell you the reason why Martin finished a close second at Catalunya and only 57th in the Giro. You interested to know?
craig1985 said:Because racing for three weeks is harder then a week long stage race and are a completely different kettle of fish (also the Giro course >>> Catalunya's course in terms of how hard it was)? Nah, impossible, wasn't on the doping program.
But if you were going to do it, wouldn't you do it the other way around? Cruise through Catalunya and then go for it at the Giro?
TeamSkyFans said:I think bikepure riders scraping top ten in grand tours just about sums up where the sport is at the moment. Improving, not as heavily doped as in the past, but you dont see bikepure riders driving groups up the mountains.
A good weekend a couple of weeks ago, Ben Swift winning in picardie, Russ Downing performing well there, and Lizzie Armitstead picking up a stage win the same weekend. Again, that shows just about where the bikepure riders are in terms of competativeness.
As for bikepure as an organisation, I will be at the tour series race on thursday, giving out wristbands and talking to young riders, and local amateurs about bikepure. I think at the top level of the sport bikepure is largely innefective. If a major rider such as cancellara, or wiggins, or boonen etc joined bikepure it would be greated with widespread cynacism. But at the lower ends of the sport I think it can spread a very positive message.
Riders are looking for ways of artificially improving performance from a local level upwards, its not just the pro's, theres temptation to perform at every level. Young riders coming through who dream of one day being in the pro tour need role models, and if there role models are at the top of the sport, we are in trouble. But if someone like Dean Downing, or Liam Holohan, or Dan Craven can win a domestic race on thursday wearing a bike pure band, it at least shows the young kids, who are maybe just starting out on the bike that they can be competative clean. I really wish someone line Kristian House would join BP.. If young riders coming through, or club level cyclists can see that you can be british champion clean, weve got a hope. Sure, if you want to win the tour de france you need to dope, but that isnt the ambition for most riders. If we can keep the youngesters clean, and keep domestic racing as clean as we can (which in britain with so many bikepure riders having sucess i think it is) then maybe its a start.
I dont want the young riders coming up to have heros like armstrong winning tours, or basso winning giros. Id much rather they looked up to guys like dean winning premier calender events, or Russ winning premier calender events and getting a shot on a pro tour team as a domestique.
Alpe d'Huez said:Philip Deignan is a BikePure rider and finished 9th in the Vuelta last year. Though he rode mostly a quiet race.
Roland Rat said:I don't really get the point of Bike Pure. I mean, what do they do? Why should I buy a bikepure top or something? If it's just to make a statement, then meh. If the money is used for something positive, then I might consider it.
Good effort. At least there is some hope.TeamSkyFans said:I think bikepure riders scraping top ten in grand tours just about sums up where the sport is at the moment. Improving, not as heavily doped as in the past, but you dont see bikepure riders driving groups up the mountains.
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Escarabajo said:Good effort. At least there is some hope.
I wonder about the impact on the Bike Pure Organization if one of its riders tested positive?
Which is the highest profile rider that Bike Pure has?
craig1985 said:Riche Porte is a member of BP and came in 8th at the Giro. I know blackcat will have a field day with this, but does this mean it's possible to finish top 10 and be clean?
Thoughtforfood said:I am.............
craig1985 said:Because racing for three weeks is harder then a week long stage race and are a completely different kettle of fish (also the Giro course >>> Catalunya's course in terms of how hard it was)? Nah, impossible, wasn't on the doping program.
But if you were going to do it, wouldn't you do it the other way around? Cruise through Catalunya and then go for it at the Giro?