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Samamba

Samamba

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Hometown fans who have rarely if ever watched the sport but encouraged to come out and wave a flag being hometown fans who have rarely if ever watched the sport but have been encouraged to come out and wave a flag. Which nationality they happened to be has nothing to do with it.
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Oh come on man. Ever watched Roland Garros? French sport fans are simply super chauvinistic and it turns into very unsportmanlike behavior a lot. Obviously I'm generalizing here, not every French fan is like that, but there's definitely a pattern. And yes there other countries who are very similar.
 
Samamba

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As are fans of any nationality when blinded by partisanship. So nothing specific to French.
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French are known to be ridiculously chauvinistic tho. Nothing wrong with that, but when it turns toxic in a lot of big sporting events it is and you trash your own image.

No one said they are the only ones, but like I said, if it happens across multiple sports you have a problem. Dutch Max Verstappen fans are also horrible, Belgian cycling fans often too, but at least the toxicity stays within those sports. There's probably even worse countries yes, but we rare see big sporting events there so yes.

Anyways, Ive said my piece, nothing to do with the race anymore. You don't have to have the same opinion, I've had enough bad experiences or seen enough reactions from athletes to form my own.
 
red_flanders

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He doesn't do anything wrong. Koretzky simply isn't paying attention, when they clash Pidcock is in front.

French fans being French sadly.
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I think you're understating it a bit. Pidcock made and aggressive attack, barely got half of his bike past Koretzky's, and the trail came back together. Very aggressive by Pidcock, aggressive by Koretzky to not give the space, but it was very close. Not like he didn't see the tree, he was a bit sideways getting tangled up with Pidcock, and couldn't do anything about it.

Racing incident, but certainly was worth taking another look.

I can't really blame the French for booing on home soil. Can't expect fans to be impartial judges of a close incident like that 20 seconds from the finish.
 
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Very enjoyable race, TP having to overtake those riders again and make up 40s definitely spiced things up, thought he would burn too many matches trying to come back.

Commentator said that not only is Alan Hatherly the first male mountain bike medal winner for South Africa, but for the Southern Hemisphere. At least he didn't also get booed, haha, I noticed the South African rugby 7s team got the treatment from the crowds who apparently still remember South Africa beating them at their rugby world cup last year. And the Argentines must be deaf by now.

Anyway, that was a good couple of hours of viewing.
 
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Hometown fans who have rarely if ever watched the sport but encouraged to come out and wave a flag being hometown fans who have rarely if ever watched the sport but have been encouraged to come out and wave a flag. Which nationality they happened to be has nothing to do with it.
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That's a very strong claim. I do not see any support of it that is of similar strength. It could just be that nationality had the teeniest tiniest bit to do with it, more than nothing.
 
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That's a very strong claim. I do not see any support of it that is of similar strength. It could just be that nationality had the teeniest tiniest bit to do with it, more than nothing.
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Do you believe that a Danish crown, largely not steeped in the sport, would have politely applauded a Swedish rider who got past a Dane in similar circumstances, being in a large majority at the venue?
 
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Do you believe that a Danish crown, largely not steeped in the sport, would have politely applauded a Swedish rider who got past a Dane in similar circumstances, being in a large majority at the venue?
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No, but I do not expect the response to have been exactly the same. Different people are different and behave differently, likewise for different groups of people. Perhaps that boils down to only a small difference in a situation like this, but small is more than nothing.
 
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red_flanders said:
I think you're understating it a bit. Pidcock made and aggressive attack, barely got half of his bike past Koretzky's, and the trail came back together. Very aggressive by Pidcock, aggressive by Koretzky to not give the space, but it was very close. Not like he didn't see the tree, he was a bit sideways getting tangled up with Pidcock, and couldn't do anything about it.

Racing incident, but certainly was worth taking another look.

I can't really blame the French for booing on home soil. Can't expect fans to be impartial judges of a close incident like that 20 seconds from the finish.
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Were they booing the incident or just the fact the French had lost the win ?

And GB fans can be just as boorish fwiw
 
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I think you're understating it a bit. Pidcock made and aggressive attack, barely got half of his bike past Koretzky's, and the trail came back together. Very aggressive by Pidcock, aggressive by Koretzky to not give the space, but it was very close. Not like he didn't see the tree, he was a bit sideways getting tangled up with Pidcock, and couldn't do anything about it.

Racing incident, but certainly was worth taking another look.

I can't really blame the French for booing on home soil. Can't expect fans to be impartial judges of a close incident like that 20 seconds from the finish.
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Surely the point of the course at that point was to encourage such moves, and options for riders, it felt more to me like Pidcock had the move done and Koretzky's sort of spotted the danger as the routes merge again and tries to crowd Pidcock out of it but is just too late. For XC it was nothing imo.
 
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red_flanders

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Were they booing the incident or just the fact the French had lost the win ?

And GB fans can be just as boorish fwiw
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Seemed fairly obvious they were booing what they thought was an overly aggressive move by Pidcock.

Like I said, I think it was a racing incident and fine, I also can see how the home fans would cry foul. We don’t need to villainize any fan base to process what happened. It’s a race. Stuff happens. Fans react emotionally.
 
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