Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[MarioeTheo]

The wound on his arm is very big, and he also had abrasions on his hip and thigh.

And he fell on his hip. That will hurt for the next few days.

The time trial could be severely affected.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945515598319935767

It doesn't seem so deep and big.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Unchained]

Pogacar needs to be very very careful, hotel, near bus out on the road..rumored that Jorgenson has called Tanya Harding and Jeff Gillooly to watch the race as Visma VIPs

 

[broppo]

yep, if UAE chases the breakaway we have to wait for hautacam but there's a chance he's okay, but if UAE doesn't control I already know he's not ok and he might loose the tour

Why would uae control lol? Visma will try anyway tomorrow. Pogi just has to follow

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945515598319935767

It doesn't seem so deep and big.

But I could be wrong.

I'm worried about his hip.

 

[yaf2]

Nope. Jonas only has eyes for Tadej's rear wheel and he uses a fair amount of tense energy to stay there. Matteo is a better climbing threat at this point in the race than Remco and is always the first effort to launch Jonas. Tadej following him and having Jonas chase to close that gap is precisely the point. It uses two energy investments by JV and very little by Tadej to cover them. If Jonas tried to accelerate off of that move Tadej would be there and on it. Pretty much like this entire Tour.

Your understanding of the game is completely different to mine & i respect that but calling Jorgenson a better one than remco & thinking tadej would consider him a better rival than remco is just too much. On stage 10 pog was marking every move of jorgenson but lets remco attack & never responds to it. Do u think its b/c he puts jorg above remco in the rival list? Mate its probably an ego thing as we've seen the past week he has a special problem with visma & thats exactly what visma wanted

 

[Peyroteo94]

Your understanding of the game is completely different to mine & i respect that but calling Jorgenson a better one than remco & thinking tadej would consider him a better rival than remco is just too much. On stage 10 pog was marking every move of jorgenson but lets remco attack & never responds to it. Do u think its b/c he puts jorg above remco in the rival list? Mate its probably an ego thing as we've seen the past week he has a special problem with visma & thats exactly what visma wanted

It is an ego thing for sure. Matteo is on his black list and I initially thought the reason was Matteo rides for Visma but I really think it's personal.

 

[Monsi]

Why would uae control lol? Visma will try anyway tomorrow. Pogi just has to follow

Because Pogi expressed his fondness of the two following stages (Hautacam and Peyragudes TT). I think he wants to try and end the Tour in the next two days.

 

[yaf2]

It is an ego thing for sure. Matteo is on his black list and I initially thought the reason was Matteo rides for Visma but I really think it's personal.

Thank u

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why would uae control lol? Visma will try anyway tomorrow. Pogi just has to follow

Pogacar said he will put the hammer down on stages 12 and 13. After his crash, I don't know anymore.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Look to his line and compare with other riders. Are you serious?

Completely! Every other rider swept from left to right.

 

[MarioeTheo]

Pogacar said he will put the hammer down on stages 12 and 13. After his crash, I don't know anymore.

Yes, he will.

Now, more than ever, he will go for the kill.

I don't think his hip is injured. He got lucky, it could be way worse.

 

[Salvarani]

Completely! Also I'm not a blind fanboy of any one rider. Every other rider swept from left to right.

Completely

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945503533635076155

What happens in this video then?

 

[Oldman]

Your understanding of the game is completely different to mine & i respect that but calling Jorgenson a better one than remco & thinking tadej would consider him a better rival than remco is just too much. On stage 10 pog was marking every move of jorgenson but lets remco attack & never responds to it. Do u think its b/c he puts jorg above remco in the rival list? Mate its probably an ego thing as we've seen the past week he has a special problem with visma & thats exactly what visma wanted

Remco is easier to retrieve until he's not. Tadej is just as focused on JV as they are on him and Matteo is the start of their strategic aggression. When he successfully interrupts that and forces Jonas to chase in the process you've achieved a double bonus. Most of these situations don't remotely represent a real opportunity for him to gain much time due to the lack of terrain. That comes tomorrow and the next day and the next.

Tadej's ego is necessarily strong and why he dominates. It's not purely focused on JV as the first stages demonstrated. He was focused on the only person he felt could beat him: MvP. Having Jonas finish on his wheel day after day helps remind him on focus.

 

[Roku]

I think everyone is panicking too much. He looked okay, the crash wasn't that hard. Don't think this will be a relevant factor of the outcome of the race.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945503533635076155

What happens in this video then?

Halland Johannessen still couldn‘t move right so far that Jorgenson wouldn‘t cut him off so Jorgenson to be disqualified as well?

 

[Salvarani]

Huh? THJ just brakes as there is no space for him.

What does that have anything to with his reckless move a second earlier on Pog? Or do you suggest he should have crashed into Jorgenson as well?

 

[MarioeTheo]

I think everyone is panicking too much. He looked okay, the crash wasn't that hard. Don't think this will be a relevant factor of the outcome of the race.

As much I hated to see him falling down, I agree.

He can and will win if he is the stronger racer (and he is), it's not some road rash that will prevent him from winning, imho.

 

[yaf2]

I think everyone is panicking too much. He looked okay, the crash wasn't that hard. Don't think this will be a relevant factor of the outcome of the race.

The day after a crash is when u feel the most effect especially with sleeping issues. It came probably at the worst time for him & fingers crossed he doesnt respond to every jorg attack tomorrow

 

[Monsi]

Pogacar said he will put the hammer down on stages 12 and 13. After his crash, I don't know anymore.

Unless he is really hurt or has some injuries we don't know, I don't see his plan changing tomorrow. I still think he's going for the kill tomorrow.

 

[MarioeTheo]

Huh? THJ just brakes as there is no space for him.

What does have anything to with his reckless move a second earlier on Pog? Or do you suggest he should have crashed into Jorgenson as well?

The guy should receive the yellow card for his move.

He could end Pogi TDF. A real shame.

 

[Salvarani]

The guy should receive the yellow card for his move.

He could end Pogi TDF. A real shame.

He definitely should.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Huh? THJ just brakes as there is no space for him.

What does that have anything to with his reckless move a second earlier on Pog? Or do you suggest he should have crashed into Jorgenson as well?

No, but if THJ hadn‘t touched Pogačar he would have ended up being chopped by Matteo which should mean yellow card for Matteo, right?

 

[Salvarani]

No, but if THJ hadn‘t touched Pogačar he would have ended up being chopped by Matteo which should mean yellow card for Matteo, right?

This is just whataboutism.

THJ made reckless move and caused a crash. The facts.

 

[Miha81]

He sincerely apologized as expected. He should not be torched that hard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945524257305276527

View: https://x.com/TobiasJohannes1/status/1945524257305276527

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945525171974000932

View: https://x.com/TobiasJohannes1/status/1945525171974000932

 

[rafa92]

The guy should receive the yellow card for his move.

He could end Pogi TDF. A real shame.

yellow cards are a joke, if the organizers really want to send a message about riders safety he should be disqualified from the race and pay a significant fine