Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[SHAD0W93]

Meanwhile what did UAE do for Pogi today?

Help keep Pogacar cool with sprays from their bottles while Visma helped get Pogacar up the climb.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You know you've arrived to god status when you set the climbing record by a lot across a historic climb, and the unwashed masses are in discontent.

He did nothing for this record.

 

[YavorD]

He did nothing for this record.

Well, he was mostly wheelsuckin an alien. Not exactly easy task.

 

[scribers]

He did nothing for this record.

He sure did. If it were that easy, the top 10 (at least) would have been right with them.

 

[MariaB]

Help keep Pogacar cool with sprays from their bottles while Visma helped get Pogacar up the climb.

Yes!

 

[MariaB]

He did nothing for this record.

Really? it seems some of the fans are not satisfied with such an effort.

 

[Lequack]

 

[veganrob]

*** the Vuelta. If you race this race with the Vuelta in mind against Vingegaard and Visma, you deserve to lose. Third tier GT and I can assure you Pog aint thinking about that right now. Chris Froome could do it because he faced absolute meme competition in 2016 and especially 2017

The plan was always to smash Hautacam, smash Peyragudes, ride defensively to Superbagneres and potentially counter Jonas if opportunity arose and deal the final and killing blow on Ventoux IMO and render the stages in the alps meaningless. He could not do that today, and he would have if he had the legs. Now Visma and Jonas smell blood and will unleash hell on Madeleine, I can assure you that much. If Pogacar gets dropped there, he most likely loses the Tour if Visma plays these stages like they usually do and UAE continues to be tactically inept and just rely on Pog strength.

Plans do change depending on the situation. Rider health being only one. And many teams with their own plans. But do you really know what their plans were to begin with or were those your plans.

 

[veganrob]

That's true, the part about dropping Vingegaard again was related to Vuelta and next year's Tour.

You’re already projecting for a year from now.

 

[scribers]

These alphas were going so hard the best of the rest had to be carried away in a stretcher

 

[MariaB]

These alphas were going so hard the best of the rest had to be carried away in a stretcher

He broke the record, he rode very well, he defended the jersey and even put some seconds on his main rival, and even then, his fans are not happy.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

*** the Vuelta. If you race this race with the Vuelta in mind against Vingegaard and Visma, you deserve to lose. Third tier GT and I can assure you Pog aint thinking about that right now. Chris Froome could do it because he faced absolute meme competition in 2016 and especially 2017

The plan was always to smash Hautacam, smash Peyragudes, ride defensively to Superbagneres and potentially counter Jonas if opportunity arose and deal the final and killing blow on Ventoux IMO and render the stages in the alps meaningless. He could not do that today, and he would have if he had the legs. Now Visma and Jonas smell blood and will unleash hell on Madeleine, I can assure you that much. If Pogacar gets dropped there, he most likely loses the Tour if Visma plays these stages like they usually do and UAE continues to be tactically inept and just rely on Pog strength.

The 4 min gap is obviously comforting but at the same time it can prove to be useless if what @Valv.Piti is suggesting will happen. Vingo drops Pog on Madeleine and it's game over. At the level that these 2 are riding right now it takes a single 'drop' to completely kill the other.

I honestly don’t follow this at all. You guys think that if Vingegaard gets a gap, Pogacar will collapse? Seems more likely that he’ll manage the gap and ride his own tempo like on Ventoux in 2021 than that he’ll collapse like in 2023. He’d have to either completely capitulate like that or suddenly finish with like Onley and Roglic for a couple stages to win this thing. Does not at all seem like a reasonable expectation.

 

[MariaB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947847171065176410

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947847174017957931

 

[scribers]

Really good break down as always by tom danielson. He’s a firm believer in total uae tactics and pogi’s abilities.

 

[scribers]

Also Wellens getting rested up for three full days before hell. They will need to control the break completely to reduce satellite opportunities

 

[Savant12]

Pog is just managing his efforts for the final mountain stages. He probably saw that Vingo had good legs and didn't need to do anything but follow.

 

[scribers]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947784772484534585

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1947784772484534585?s=46&t=X4NqNG7J5ZQ-MxPOi53ECQ


Perspective on how fast these two were flying up the mountain

 

[No Excuses]

You know you've arrived to god status when you set the climbing record by a lot across a historic climb, and the unwashed masses are in discontent.

Sums it up pretty well, expectations were too high.
4+ mins is a comfy lead

 

[Fos]

He is not bluffing. He suffered quite a bit during Vingegaard first attack.

We will never know, his body language said the opposite, so smooth. And finished totally fresh...


I think the analysis of Tom Danielson are good and interesting as always

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I honestly don’t follow this at all. You guys think that if Vingegaard gets a gap, Pogacar will collapse? Seems more likely that he’ll manage the gap and ride his own tempo like on Ventoux in 2021 than that he’ll collapse like in 2023. He’d have to either completely capitulate like that or suddenly finish with like Onley and Roglic for a couple stages to win this thing. Does not at all seem like a reasonable expectation.

The probability that Vingo overcomes the gap is small of course. Visma's idea is that if Pog loses ie 40 seconds on Madeleine (or Pre) then Vingo helped by breakaway teammates will be able to gain much more on the remaining part of the stage (including false flat).

It can totally backfire: Vingo can crack instead or Pogi can limit his losses. But its the only way for Visma right now. Alps should be exciting!

 

[Ancalagon]

We can speculate for hours about whether Tadej was on the limit or not. But the objective reality is that by the end of the stage, he’d only used one teammate all day — and still gained 2 seconds on Vingo.
Personally, I think he’ll seal the Tour on the Col de la Loze.

 

[BubbaChuck]

its not that we are not happy with pogacar,lol.its ptsd from 22/23 and fact,if pog doesnot perform at all time high level,it could get ugly.jonas is no joke and he is capable of 1 time insane performance like on combloux 23.what than.right now pog doesnot look capable of following that kind of performance.joans isnot winning with great watts,but if he does ''finestre''.well

 

[Rou]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua7VzGE_LJA

Here is the analysis of Tom Danielson. Good stuff.
Some things:
- Jonas was at his limit with his attacks while Tadej had more in the tank
- Pog's ''pain'' face was a bluff
- Tadej is riding conservatively (perhaps thinking about the remainder of his season)
And some more interesting details. I suggest you guys listen to it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar is hard to read for me, maybe because he is my favorite rider and I can't have an impartial opinion about him. If he follows Vingegaard on Madeleine, he will win the Tour and his fifth stage in the Tour.
Deep inside, I also hope he is thinking in the Vuelta and he is trying to not race until his red zone.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Also Wellens getting rested up for three full days before hell. They will need to control the break completely to reduce satellite opportunities

I would put Wellens in the break tomorrow. He is climbing better than Sivakov or even Soler