Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Appearance fee + probably better training, maybe a bit more fun than a Tour crit I guess.
I'm not sure about the appearance fee. Even if he did get paid, I doubt it would be a large sum. The first place winner only gets 3000 euros. If he was interested in the money, I think the Belgian races would have been more attractive €€
 
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I'm not sure about the appearance fee. Even if he did get paid, I doubt it would be a large sum. The first place winner only gets 3000 euros. If he was interested in the money, I think the Belgian races would have been more attractive €€
It seems like the sort of event where appearance fees are an order of magnitude bigger than prize money. Sponsor isn't gonna give a *** about a strong field of amateur or even continental or pro conti riders, but they will probably shell out good bucks for Pogacar.
 
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Pogacar and the white jersey has been synonymous over the last few years. Teddy's won the young rider classification for the 4th consecutive year (record). He's been the leader of this classification for 75 stages (also the record), including last 72 (!) consecutive stages. He had some incredible performances wearing this jersey. However, mr White Jersey's reign is over: the eternal youngster changes into an old man next year.

Here are some memorable performances:

PDBF 2020:

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Le Grand Bornand 2021:

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Cauterets 2023:

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Pogacar and the white jersey has been synonymous over the last few years. Teddy's won the young rider classification for the 4th consecutive year (record). He's been the leader of this classification for 75 stages (also the record), including last 72 (!) consecutive stages. He had some incredible performances wearing this jersey. However, mr White Jersey's reign is over: the eternal youngster changes into an old man next year.

Here are some memorable performances:

PDBF 2020:

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Le Grand Bornand 2021:

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Cauterets 2023:

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Now he somehow needs find a way to get back in yellow. Although his most memorable performances in TDF were in white jersey.

This years tour was (statistically) worst for him in terms of stage wins, jerseys and loss of time. He somehow needs to change this trend if he wants to return to TDF throne although first two weeks (except stage 5) looked promising.
 
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Now he somehow needs find a way to get back in yellow. Although his most memorable performances in TDF were in white jersey.

This years tour was (statistically) worst for him in terms of stage wins, jerseys and loss of time. He somehow needs to change this trend if he wants to return to TDF throne although first two weeks (except stage 5) looked promising.
As strong as he was in the spring races, when your competition is focused only on the Tour (something I do find a bit distasteful), you just might have to forego other ambitions, IF your goal is the Tour. It's such a crap thing for fans of cycling, as having Pog tearing up the classics made for great racing and to me was much more fun than watching the Tour...but it's still the Tour. I do think the Tour would have been different if he hadn't broken his wrist, and it would definiteley have made L-B-L more fun to watch (I will literally cheer for anyone to beat Remco). Maybe the days of one rider, eating a meal at every race, are not over, but it seems like they are. Vingegaard CLEARLY focused on every single aspect of winning the Tour. I understand the cries of "boring," because scientifically deconstructing the race, and then building himself specifically to excell in those deconstructed parts, has much less emotion that attacking TWICE on the Champs-Élysées, and every other attack Pog made. I will admit that he won me over a bit this Tour. I am a fan of Wout, and that led to me favoring Jonas, but I certainly did want Pog to give it a go, and if he'd won, I would not have been sad (I also believed in the 2nd week, that he would). Hopefully, Wout will soon go to another team...anyway, I digress. I think Pog lost this Tour at L-B-L. Lets see what next year brings, though I think it will be hard for someone like Pog to become a robot, focused solely on the Tour...at least I hope it will be hard.
 
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If there is just one thing I hope for regarding Pogacar (and Remco) for the next year or so, it is that we'll see them both in Il Lombardia this fall and LBL next spring. We've had some great duels over the last couple of years in both GTs and the other big classics, but we still haven't seen this duel. Neither in LBL or Lombardia last year or in LBL this year. It is really about time!
 
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As strong as he was in the spring races, when your competition is focused only on the Tour (something I do find a bit distasteful), you just might have to forego other ambitions, IF your goal is the Tour. It's such a crap thing for fans of cycling, as having Pog tearing up the classics made for great racing and to me was much more fun than watching the Tour...but it's still the Tour. I do think the Tour would have been different if he hadn't broken his wrist, and it would definiteley have made L-B-L more fun to watch (I will literally cheer for anyone to beat Remco). Maybe the days of one rider, eating a meal at every race, are not over, but it seems like they are. Vingegaard CLEARLY focused on every single aspect of winning the Tour. I understand the cries of "boring," because scientifically deconstructing the race, and then building himself specifically to excell in those deconstructed parts, has much less emotion that attacking TWICE on the Champs-Élysées, and every other attack Pog made. I will admit that he won me over a bit this Tour. I am a fan of Wout, and that led to me favoring Jonas, but I certainly did want Pog to give it a go, and if he'd won, I would not have been sad. Hopefully, Wout will soon go to another team...anyway, I digress. I think Pog lost this Tour at L-B-L. Lets see what next year brings, though I think it will be hard for someone like Pog to become a robot, focused solely on the Tour...at least I hope it will be hard.

TBH I hope he never changes. He always raced this way and it worked 9 out of 10 times and with most opponents.

TJV realized that one of his greatest strenghts is also one of his weaknesses and used it against him in latest editions of TDF. Jonas seems so strong that even best version of Pogi will have hard time beating him and he will have to take different approach (at least in TDF) if he wants to win it again. To rely on overpowering Vinge or him having bad day just won't work in my opinion.
 

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It seems like the sort of event where appearance fees are an order of magnitude bigger than prize money. Sponsor isn't gonna give a *** about a strong field of amateur or even continental or pro conti riders, but they will probably shell out good bucks for Pogacar.

The event is organised by the European Cycling Union. There are hardly any sponsors involved here. Looking at their site they list three partners: Alé - Why would they pay? UAE kit is a different brand. Vittoria - It is the same and Jumbo partner. I'm not 100% sure about this, but Vittoria is owned by the rich Dutch guy who owns Cervélo and Cannondale. So, zero chance. Wagner - They seem to be selling some kind of pork products. If money is involved, maybe it's them. Especially since the company is based in Franche-Comté and the latter stages of the Tour took place in that part of the country. But I am sceptical, maybe if Pog starts his TT with sausages on his back that will convince me.
 
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Pog saying he "cracked himself", says nothing about why. And the why is he had to burry himself, first to make up the time lost on Col de Marie Blanque, and second to try and limit the damage in the TT. The moral of the story is that on Col de la Loze he ran out of gas, the tank was empty, and Jonas ended the match. Checkmate. So he really didn't "crack himself", but Vingeggard broke him. Pog won three battles before the TT, but it was like Pyrrhus of Epirus fighting the Romans: "If we beat these Romans again, we are ruined".
 
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Regarding whether he will ride PR, idk, but I would definitely understand if the fact that a crash messed up his Tour prep makes him less motivated to try probably the most dangerous cycling race in the world. I think he'll just try the same program as this year again. Just this time without braking his wrist.
 
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I think EC MTT is kind of a low-enough hanging fruit with the spot in the calendar but I would also not be surprised if some incentive is indeed involved to give the event some standing after it was postponed to this year (no idea what the reason was).

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I think EC MTT is kind of a low-enough hanging fruit with the spot in the calendar but I would also not be surprised if some incentive is indeed involved to give the event some standing after it was postponed to this year (no idea what the reason was).

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Maybe he just knows the organizers or thinks it's a cool format that could use some attention and be fun to do.
 
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Either he doesn't know how old he is or he's just announced he's doing the Giro-Vuelta double next year.

25 year olds are eligible for the contest.
I forget who but someone said he isn’t eligible anymore since he’s turning 26 next year since I had said he could be win the Giro’s and be the first do get all three. Which is also why Vinge didn’t win it last year despite being 25.


From wiki, In the most recent years, only cyclists who will remain below 26 in the year the race is held are eligible.



Bernal and Pog couldn’t get the Youth trifecta but Evenepoel or Ayuso still can.
 

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I think EC MTT is kind of a low-enough hanging fruit with the spot in the calendar but I would also not be surprised if some incentive is indeed involved to give the event some standing after it was postponed to this year (no idea what the reason was).

Event sponsors are here


Oh, right. So some local sponsors are involved, instead of the usual UEC partners
 
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