Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

I don't know, last year he was always behind Ganna on the descent.



He has lost two monuments in sprints. Against Colbrelli/Vermeersch and Asgreen. If there is a chance to get away, he is not going to let the sprint decide.

Who is going to outsprint mvp now though?

 

[Froome]

I really doubt Pogacar will ride like last year and pull like a mad man, only to be countered at the top. He's going to wait for his chance, but still his chances are slim when Van der Poel is around. I think those two will neutralize each other, and someone else will pull the win.

With the presence of Van der poel, Pogacar has not other chance than attack on Poggio. If he wants to win, he needs to drop van der poel, otherwise, he will lose in the sprint.....

I really doubt Pogacar will ride like last year and pull like a mad man, only to be countered at the top. He's going to wait for his chance, but still his chances are slim when Van der Poel is around. I think those two will neutralize each other, and someone else will pull the win.

It's a plausible scenario.

 

[scribers]

Can ganna outsprint mvp? Or even?

 

[Froome]

"De enige die in het wiel van Pogacar bleef op training", maak kennis met rijzende ster Antonio "Zorro" Morgado | sporza

In een nieuw wielerseizoen openen we ook altijd een vers blik neoprofs. Welke jonge toptalenten kunnen in hun eerste profjaar meteen gensters slaan? Vandaag richten we onze blik op UAE Team Emirates-jonkies Antonio Morgado en Isaac del Toro.

sporza.be

Soon, Morgado will deserve a thread.

 

[Salvarani]

"De enige die in het wiel van Pogacar bleef op training", maak kennis met rijzende ster Antonio "Zorro" Morgado | sporza

In een nieuw wielerseizoen openen we ook altijd een vers blik neoprofs. Welke jonge toptalenten kunnen in hun eerste profjaar meteen gensters slaan? Vandaag richten we onze blik op UAE Team Emirates-jonkies Antonio Morgado en Isaac del Toro.

sporza.be

Soon, Morgado will deserve a thread.

Has to be named something with Zorro.

 

[Berniece]

"De enige die in het wiel van Pogacar bleef op training", maak kennis met rijzende ster Antonio "Zorro" Morgado | sporza

In een nieuw wielerseizoen openen we ook altijd een vers blik neoprofs. Welke jonge toptalenten kunnen in hun eerste profjaar meteen gensters slaan? Vandaag richten we onze blik op UAE Team Emirates-jonkies Antonio Morgado en Isaac del Toro.

sporza.be

Soon, Morgado will deserve a thread.

Thanks to his nickname the thread title won't be that difficult to find. Just take a movie title of Zorro.

• Antonio Morgado - The Legend of Zorro
• Antonio Morgado - Zorro Rides Again
• Antonio Morgado - The New Adventures of Zorro
• Antonio Morgado - Zorro Unmasked

Or someone will come up with something more creative.

 

[Lequack]

He knows to do laundry, or does he.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1745981220020769235

View: https://twitter.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1745981220020769235?s=20

 

[Elos Anjos]

Hot take by Contador on Tadej. The guy surely admires him:

Alberto Contador: If Pogacar wins the Giro d’Italia and Tour de France, he’ll try for the Vuelta

Spanish star expects Pogacar would try for unprecedented triple if Giro-Tour bid succeeds

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Hot take by Contador on Tadej. The guy surely admires him:

Alberto Contador: If Pogacar wins the Giro d’Italia and Tour de France, he’ll try for the Vuelta

Spanish star expects Pogacar would try for unprecedented triple if Giro-Tour bid succeeds

www.cyclingnews.com

If Teddy somehow manages to win Giro+Tour double (which is unlikely even for a cyclist like him) he'll be almost dead and lying on a beach for the rest of the season.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Lets do the double first. This tipple talks tend to overreach.

 

[scribers]

If pog can win the giro he possibly won’t seriously contest it again. His place in history will rest with the spring monuments rather than multiple giro victories

 

[scribers]

Hot take by Contador on Tadej. The guy surely admires him:

Alberto Contador: If Pogacar wins the Giro d’Italia and Tour de France, he’ll try for the Vuelta

Spanish star expects Pogacar would try for unprecedented triple if Giro-Tour bid succeeds

www.cyclingnews.com

That article is a nice historic analysis of the three grant tours and I enjoy hearing a former winner describe them from experience. I don’t know if it’s the translation or contadors nature, but he speaks of things in absolutes. It comes off as if he knows uae gameplans

 

[Froome]

That's impossible for him to do the double Giro/Tour, the triple would be even more impossible.

He can't even just win the Tour if he focus just on that at the moment, the double or the triple it’s impossible with the fearless competition.

Pogacar could had won the double Giro/Tour, or even try the triple Giro/Tour/Vuelta in 2021, because on that year, the competition was a bit weak on those grand tours.

The most realistic and very possible scenario for him, is try to win the double Giro/vuelta in 2024.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Pogacar has won the Tour two times and has two 2nd places without ever focusing solely on the Tour. But here we are reading in a mongrel English that he has already just focused on the Tour and failed.

There's also no need to lower your self-esteem even further when a legend like Contador states that if any one can win the triple crown, it's Pogacar. The real news is about the depth of faith that Contador has in the Slovenian.

All in all, I doubt Pogacar will ever focus on the Tour tough. It's not his nature. He just loves to race and win in different fields. It's the best thing that happened to the sport in decades and he's the most talented and inspiring rider by far. In a few years many riders will certainly be in the sports history books but most of them will be forsaken in people's memories. Pogi won't.

 

[scribers]

Contador thinks he can do the triple, much less rhe double .

 

[Froome]

Contador thinks he can do the triple, much less rhe double .

Firstable, the journalists should ask contador, why Remco is not in ineos.

 

[scribers]

Firstable, the journalists should ask contador, why Remco is not in ineos.

Exactly. He told us it was a done deal. Like he is now telling us pog will contest the vuelta is he has the double on the bag.

 

[Berniece]

Contador thinks he can do the triple, much less rhe double .

I think both Vingegaard and Pogacar are able to do the triple, but they need a bit of luck. Basically other contenders need to have bad luck. If everyone is at their best and Remco would target Giro, Vingegaard Tour, and Roglic the Vuelta he won’t win Tour or Vuelta. He’ll be too tired compared to the others.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Exactly. He told us it was a done deal. Like he is now telling us pog will contest the vuelta is he has the double on the bag.

It's two different cases.

In one Contador could have in fact inside knowledge to the deal with Remco and that made him more believable.

Here of course he is just making a stand about how talented Pogacar is, likeI said above. He is not making a factual statement or a prediction, but setting that such an epic outcome could be performed by the Slovenian.

 

[Tonton]

If pog can win the giro he possibly won’t seriously contest it again. His place in history will rest with the spring monuments rather than multiple giro victories

You know, looking at it from a very different angle, winning Il Giro could be addictive and 6 of them would be an awesome goal. Ahead of Binda, Coppi, and Merckx. Amen. That's absolutely huge and worth considering. And then only race in July if the route is friendly and the team is strong. Win another one...or two.

Pogacar has already won as many monuments as Hinault (5), Coppi had 9 including 6 in a row. Yes. A record 5 GdL but Tadej has 3 and no one but Remco can possibly beat him there in the foreseeable future. Rainbows matter too...so there's a lot.

Giro as a one-night-stand? Maybe not. It could be the place to be.

 

[CyclistAbi]

But lets say Pogi would win Giro and Tour. From that point of view and if there would be anything left in the tank, he indeed could attempt to win Vuelta too. As beating all big rivals at the Tour wouldn't make it harder, to do the same at Vuelta.

But obviously this are hypothetical discussions. As far as the double goes, this season Rogla, Pogi and Jonas will likely attempt it. Lets see if any of them succeeds. Due to the quantity of attempts and quality of riders. I do see a possibility, for it to happen this season. Still, at best, only one could succeed. So lets see if this is the year.

 

[scribers]

I think Pogi would rather take a serious crack at Worlds vs the triple GC in calendar year. But who knows for sure? He's got to win the Giro first. Stay on his bike second. Etc and so on.

 

[how yes no?]

Two takes getting exponentially hotter:
-a small part of why Pogačar took the Giro turn this season is to allow Roglič a proper payback opportunity against the Vees with him being a bit more in the background and not causing another inter-Slovenian split... because if he succeeds making history like that, no one can hold it against him (as they shouldn't in 2020 either, but some did).
-Jonas will not win the Tour in the next 5 years. (Probably Roglič takes it this year and Pogačar returns for a proper clash in 2025, and things go on from there with maybe also current great young talents getting involved)

 

[Froome]

Two takes getting exponentially hotter:
-a small part of why Pogačar took the Giro turn this season is to allow Roglič a proper payback opportunity against the Vees with him being a bit more in the background and not causing another inter-Slovenian split... because if he succeeds making history like that, no one can hold it against him (as they shouldn't in 2020 either, but some did).
-Jonas will not win the Tour in the next 5 years. (Probably Roglič takes it this year and Pogačar returns for a proper clash in 2025, and things go on from there with maybe also current great young talents getting involved)

 

[how yes no?]

Yep, you know how things go, often in the way you would never expect but afterwards it seems it could not happen any other way... this for the most recent example is less bold of a claim than Pogačar not winning the tour for the next 3 years after the 2021 Tour and I think you don't believe he will win this year. Or the one before that, who would have thought on top of Col de la Loze in 2020, that Roglič will not win that Tour... or the one before, how many Tours in coming years did people think Bernal would win after the Tour 2019, etc...

The descent from the peak will always hit you sooner than you would have expected it, some of it is because of time up there flying... while sometimes others surprise us sooner yet.


for a funny stat: pretty sure nobody has ever won a stage race where both Roglič and Pogačar were competing against them and that's quite a "spell" to break (or competition to beat).
(edit: eh, there is that Dauphine 2020... can't have that again... but yet another case of how easy is it not to win a race, even when you are clearly the strongest... let alone when you are not)