Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Froome]

Just as Roglič often attacks when racing. Usually at least once per race he wins.



All.

Well, Froome's palmares speak for himself if you consider "all".

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well, Froome's palmares speak for himself if you consider "all".

You got me there @Froome.

P.S. Although, working on it.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

You either die an attacker or live long long enough to see yourself become a wheelsucker.

 

[AmRacer]

Well, Froome's palmares speak for himself if you consider "all".

You used to suck your teammates wheels, until you had enough and spun away.

 

[scribers]

Marco Pantani was no damned wheelsucker!

 

[Berniece]

You were starting to understand it, but now you got thrown back to the same mindless mantra of "wheelsuck is bad mkay".

Everyone wheelsucks.

Wheelsuck isn’t bad, it’s boring

 

[Froome]

You used to suck your teammates wheels, until you had enough and spun away.

You used to suck your teammates wheels, until you had enough and spun away.

Yes, he did that 😂 Usually he did that after making some attacks who made him have a good advantage, ax 3 domaines and ventoux, pierre saint martin, stage 18 of the Giro 2018.

 

[CyclistAbi]

One possible Tour strategy for Pogi is to rip the race apart on stage 9 and then wheelsuck as a pro.

 

[scribers]

One possible Tour strategy for Pogi is to rip the race apart on stage 9 and then wheelsuck as a pro.

i can’t imagine he’d attack Vingo’s mechanical unless he’s already well out in front.

Assuming he has to dig deep, how much time is worth the effort? Anything less than a minute spells danger for him in week three to me. 2-3 minutes would be worth whatever investment he makes

 

[Krzysztof_O]

i can’t imagine he’d attack Vingo’s mechanical unless he’s already well out in front.

Assuming he has to dig deep, how much time is worth the effort? Anything less than a minute spells danger for him in week three to me. 2-3 minutes would be worth whatever investment he makes

Imagine Skeletor losing substantial time on the gravel stage. Mountain stages would be carnage with Vingo and JV going a bloc day in day out!

 

[scribers]

The problem is also that damn alien ITT by vingo. Has anyone ran an analysis on this year's offerings how much time Vingo can gain on Pog assuming similar conditions?

 

[Froome]

The problem is also that damn alien ITT by vingo. Has anyone ran an analysis on this year's offerings how much time Vingo can gain on Pog assuming similar conditions?

It's a "big problem" for the rivals, when a guy who weighs the same as Quintana, is better in the TTs 😂

 

[Extinction]

Bernard Hinault: "As long as I breath, I Attack!" Now that's no wheelsucker.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The problem is also that damn alien ITT by vingo. Has anyone ran an analysis on this year's offerings how much time Vingo can gain on Pog assuming similar conditions?

Pogacar himself once said that after an analysis with his team they thought that if everything had gone well he could've been 40 seconds faster on that ITT in 2023. Which still leaves us with a deficit of almost a minute. Obviously those numbers aren't precise but this statement confirmed further that Vingo's TT was truly alien. In theory a similar gap could be achievable this year but everything will be different: the form, the circumstances. It could be much closer between Vingo and his rivals this time.

 

[CyclistAbi]

i can’t imagine he’d attack Vingo’s mechanical unless he’s already well out in front.

Assuming he has to dig deep, how much time is worth the effort? Anything less than a minute spells danger for him in week three to me. 2-3 minutes would be worth whatever investment he makes

It's his terrain so he should race it as Strade Bianche. Rogla will likely manage just fine, as for Jonas and Remco, who knows.

 

[Froome]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752338410579034278

View: https://twitter.com/GCKUSSfan/status/1752338410579034278

 

[scribers]

I'm a realsucka

 

[scribers]

This is exactly how I see this tdf going down

View: https://youtu.be/msDuNZyYAIQ?si=SVW01pcrbFLa31FW

 

[Elos Anjos]

Bernard Hinault: "As long as I breath, I Attack!" Now that's no wheelsucker.

It's a good war cry, but of course it is not and cannot be true.

Likewise, it would be ludicrous to demand that all riders should be like Hinault.

Learn to wheelsuck and you last longer. Attack to entertain the dopamine rush of some anonymous fans and you will likely fare into obliviou.

 

[Berniece]

Learn to wheelsuck and you last longer. Attack to entertain the dopamine rush of some anonymous fans and you will likely fare into obliviou.

Some anonymous fans? Every cycling fan prefers an exciting race compared to wheelsucking... Unless it's the rider you are rooting for.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Some anonymous fans? Every cycling fan prefers an exciting race compared to wheelsucking... Unless it's the rider you are rooting for.

Don't make it personal. The point being that riders use everything to their advantage like wheelsucking until the time comes to deliver an attack. That's why calling Roglic a wheelsucker is just blatant dishonesty.

 

[Berniece]

Don't make it personal. The point being that riders use everything to their advantage like wheelsucking until the time comes to deliver an attack. That's why calling Roglic a wheelsucker is just blatant dishonesty.

I didn't mean specifically you. More as in people care less about wheelsucking if it's the rider they are rooting for.

Ah yes, Roglic is no wheelsucker, we've seen that in Catalunya last year.

 

[Elos Anjos]

My larger point is that riders cannot choose to be good in sprinting, TT, long range attacks, mountain goats. They can only explore and improve their nature, what they already are.

Roglic not sprinting in mountain and hilly stages would be the same as Vingo not attacking in multiple mountain stages. It would be something against their nature. So it would dishonest to ask them to be something else.

 

[Berniece]

My larger point is that riders cannot choose to be good in sprinting, TT, long range attacks, mountain goats. They can only explore and improve their nature, what they already are.

Roglic not sprinting in mountain and hilly stages would be the same as Vingo not attacking in multiple mountain stages. It would be something against their nature. So it would dishonest to ask them to be something else.

Lol, no one is saying Roglic shouldn't sprint. Just take a turn.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Lol, no one is saying Roglic shouldn't sprint. Just take a turn.

His strategy is working and has been working. Why should he? Certainly not because of your feelings.