• The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

Page 400 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
I didn't mean specifically you. More as in people care less about wheelsucking if it's the rider they are rooting for.

Ah yes, Roglic is no wheelsucker, we've seen that in Catalunya last year.
Did you watch the Vuelta 2023? Or the Giro? Did you notice who struck first blood in both those GTs on the road? Did you watch the Vuelta 2021, when Roglic nearly lost it all going on a YOLO attack on hat Christian Vandevelde was criticizing (rightfully, as it turned out)? How about when he joined Bernal on a long range attack, working with him equally as you demand, then dropping him from 7km out?

The times you criticize most are when he was riding in a position of weakness or uncertainty. Recovering from surgery and up against a strong rival, recovering from a crash, etc., with the possible exception of Tour 2020, when it is unclear how much the bad Dauphine crash impacted him. However, many are quick to excuse Pogi’s collapse at the end of the 2023 Tour based on his crash a few weeks earlier, so perhaps that also explains Roglic’s collapse.

All in all, I agree Roglic is a more conservative, tactical rider than the more watt monster YOLOers Remco, Vingegaard, MvDP, and Pogi, but calling him “pathetic” is childish or misinformed.

Lastly, Remco has made several comments to the press to the effect that he needs to race more conservatively to win a GT. If you watched the 2022 Vuelta, you saw it in action. And Pogi is far from above a good ol’ sit and kick.

Lol, no one is saying Roglic shouldn't sprint. Just take a turn.
@Netserk covered this pretty thoroughly, but you should never take a turn for the sake of taking a turn; you should do it for a purpose. That purpose could be gaining time on rivals, but in this case, Remco was the only true rival. It could also be nurturing an alliance, but again Remco and Roglic were on a season long collision course as rivals. You guys complain that Roglic only won because of his strategy, and then you bash him for his strategy. It doesn’t seem reasonable to expect someone to take a loss to show panache.
 
How about when he joined Bernal on a long range attack, working with him equally as you demand, then dropping him from 7km out?
While I agree with everything else, he didn’t start helping Bernal until the descent was over and knew they were going to stay away and he’d gain a lot of time. Which again gaining time was to his benefit compared to the situation that is being argued. He was already in the lead in Catalunya so had no reason to work as Evenepoel was behind. That’s the perks of being in the lead.
 
Well you have to be a Hinault, a monster, to attack as he did and get his results. Of course, the sport has radically changed (for the worse) since his era, but Pogacar is of that calibre, so the panache of yore is still possibile. Whereas learning to wheelsuck only results in monotonous, negative racing, doesn't extend one's career, but only results in the calculated fiasco of contemporary cycling. Thank God we now have Pogacar, Evenepoel, MVDP, WVA and Vingegaard to rekindle the fire.
Hinault famously sat on Lemond's wheel and was gifted the Alpe d' Huez victory by his teammate. This after creating a rift within the team and attacking the GC leader, Mr. Greg L. The appearances were of happy teammates collaborating in a Hollywood victory. Every Hero has sat on a wheel until the towing rider became annoyed and changed tactics. That is Every Rider. You don't get a thank you for being stupid enough to tow another to a victory unless it's a paid teammate. Thank God for great riders but every one of them know how to sit a wheel. You just don't know how to quit feeding the trolls. Get it....they're trolling.
 
While I agree with everything else, he didn’t start helping Bernal until the descent was over and knew they were going to stay away and he’d gain a lot of time. Which again gaining time was to his benefit compared to the situation that is being argued. He was already in the lead in Catalunya so had no reason to work as Evenepoel was behind. That’s the perks of being in the lead.
And that was of course 100% right decision, just like in Catalunya 2023.
 
Pathetic is indeed a bit much. He rides to his strengths, and in his case that is wheelsucking.

The "problem" here is, regardless of the discussions and arguments involved , you will result to wheelsucking in this debate. Mostly due to being stuck in Catalunya 2023. So, as season 2024 is near, all mentioned riders can assert their superiority. And resolve this once and for that race only. As then the next one will come. And ...
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan and acm
There is one good thing that came out of this debate. Some additional clarity on the probable inter peloton dynamics, at the Tour 2024.

Jonas, only objective to win, anything else than that is a no go.

The Slovenians, not only, but for sure the main objective, crack Jonas. And then to work together at Olympics/Worlds, time for some medals.

Remco, he doesn't discriminate, any of the above, finishing behind, would do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
I wish Tadej the best but I saw a video yesterday of him struggling in the Col du Granon and that doesn't seem like a GT rider to me.

I wish Tadej the best but I saw a video yesterday of him struggling in the Col de la Loze and that doesn't seem like a GT rider to me.
Are you after "likes" or are you for real?

The examples you and others mentioned still afforded 2nd places and were shocking because they showed the first shinkles in an otherwise unbreakable armor. They never questioned Pogacar or Roglic capabilities as GT riders.

After his early demise at La Vuelta 2023 I'm struggling to realize how Remco can shift from his failings at a mild Vuelta to being a Tour contender. The above video illustrates what many people think.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KOM and acm
Are you after "likes" or are you for real?

The examples you and others mentioned still afforded 2nd places and were shocking because they showed the first shinkles in an otherwise unbreakable armor. They never questioned Pogacar or Roglic capabilities as GT riders.

After his early demise at La Vuelta 2023 I'm struggling to realize how Remco can shift from his failings at a mild Vuelta to being a Tour contender. The above video illustrates what many people think.
My comment was intended as nothing more than a joke, but it is quite funny to see how it stirred you up.

Thanks for the likes, all! Please keep them coming, I really need them.
 
Rider who was last survivor in the days break, got caught and spat out the back, shockingly rides slowly and struggles up a 13km 10% climb. Grateful for the cutting edge insight and analysis provided in the cycling news forum
Please do not do this. We take everything at face value here. Context is only applied and deemed appropriate when it fits our agenda.

You've been part of a two man break all day and didn't shred the Angliru record? Scrub!
 
Rider who was last survivor in the days break, got caught and spat out the back, shockingly rides slowly and struggles up a 13km 10% climb. Grateful for the cutting edge insight and analysis provided in the cycling news forum
At least Remco wasn't struggling up a 5.9 km 8.6% climb with the helmet crooked.
 
Last edited: