Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[tobydawq]

That wasn't the question. Contador was in 2011 a more sure bet to beat his opponents in that Giro than Pogi will be in May. Not because Pogi is likely to fail, but because Contador was even more assured to sail through.

That's your opinion. I disagree, and apparently so do the bookmakers.

 

[Cookster15]

That wasn't the question. Contador was in 2011 a more sure bet to beat his opponents in that Giro than Pogi will be in May. Not because Pogi is likely to fail, but because Contador was even more assured to sail through.

Who is Pogi’s main competition at the Giro? I’m not seeing much? Damiano Caruso, Buchmann, Kelderman? Or are you suggesting Cian Uijtdebroeks is a threat?

In 2011 Contador had to beat Scarponi who doesn’t seem any easier to beat than what I see lining up in this years Giro?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Or put another way, I think if both lined up for 2011 and 2024 Giro that Contador would be the favorite for 2011 due to the route, climbing, and overall hardness all around while Pog would be the favorite for 2024 due to his ability to gain time on any type of stage.

 

[theyoungest]

It will take a few more years before anyone can claim Vingegaard to be a better stage racer than Contador. For starters Vibgegaard needs to actually win a Giro or Vuelta. Perhaps the reason he hasn’t tried the Giro yet is he has doubts and fears of Pogacar?

Please note I still think Vingegaard is the overwhelming favourite for the TdF, especially with Pog now doing the Giro. But it is a softer looking Giro, both in terms of climbing and possible competition so who really knows how he might recover by July?

If anyone has doubts and fears at this point, surely it's Pogacar. Choosing to do the Giro doesn't exactly show a lot of confidence in being able to beat Vingegaard. It's more like "well, if I can't win the Tour this year, at least I've won the Giro". It's just the way these things are framed, with Pogacar it's always in terms of adventure and courage, but you might as well see it as a copout.

And of course it takes away any pressure from the Tour, if he doesn't win he can point to the Giro, if he does win he can say: it's a miracle, I can win the Tour after the Giro! Which would be perfectly possible. Dumoulin finished second in the Tour after coming second in the Giro, and he said he was actually better in the Tour. Certainly a relatively "easy" Giro with weak opposition could just be a good training camp for the Tour.

 

[Netserk]

That's your opinion. I disagree, and apparently so do the bookmakers.

Did the bookmakers pay those who betted on Scarponi? If so, the difference could be a reflection of the risk of a ban.

 

[ppanther92]

Contador hadn't lost the Tour the past two years. Will Pogi crack again?

Pogi cracked for one reason only - Vingegaard. There is no Vingegaard, hence, he is easily the best climber in the race, hence, no cracking.

Probably.

 

[Cookster15]

Pogi cracked for one reason only - Vingegaard. There is no Vingegaard, hence, he is easily the best climber in the race, hence, no cracking.

Probably.

Not one reason, two. You forget Pog’s LBL crash, broken wrist and loss of time on the bike. Base miles which is why I think he completely collapsed on stage 17 after going too deep in the TT.

 

[ppanther92]

Not one reason, two. You forget Pog’s LBL crash, broken wrist and loss of time on the bike. Base miles which is why I think he completely collapsed on stage 17 after going too deep in the TT.

Well, yes and no. Vingegaard dropped him 2 years in a row. No Vingegaard and he cruises to the win in each. Ofc prep was not ideal last year but no Vingegaard and he would have looked dominant.

 

[tobydawq]

Did the bookmakers pay those who betted on Scarponi? If so, the difference could be a reflection of the risk of a ban.

I don't think so. As soon as the race ended, you would have gotten paid if you had bet on Contador.

 

[Extinction]

I wouldn't sleep on Ayuso, he lost a bit of hype last year after missing the Vuelta podium that he had gotten the year before but I don't think his numbers were any worse and he was still the best non-Jumbo despite spending a few months injured.

He is my fifth favourite for this year's Tour and it wouldn't surprise me if he finishes on the podium. I actually think his ceiling as a Grand Tour rider is a bit higher than Remco's.

To the bolded, this depends on if Remco is prepped in the best way and then delivers. I'm not convinced, yet, that Ayuso at his best would be better. Naturally I'll reasses when more evidence becomes available.

 

[vwpe]

Well, yes and no. Vingegaard dropped him 2 years in a row. No Vingegaard and he cruises to the win in each. Ofc prep was not ideal last year but no Vingegaard and he would have looked dominant.

haters are such a joy to watch. You forget how easily pog dropped vingegagrd in PN when he wasnt injured last year in fact Vingegaard has never beaten Pogacar when Pogacar didnt have a legitimate reason not to win(vingegaard in same position and circumstances wuldnt even be top 3 so stop the narrative choosing) Pogacar is the far best rider anyone thinking anything else ill put in the same section as the earth is flat category its at this point just that stupid...not a single GT or race have vingegaard outmatched pog when pog was fresh pog crushed him everytime vingegaard only won when pog wasnt able to train or beat himself vs rog and vinge, thats facts wether you like it or not.

I usually come in here to say a few things now and then and my latest reports are from Pog camp that hes stronger than last year prepare for something unique this season. The guy say pog somewhat in every test has become stronger so its really only a injury who can stop him again ofc when he rides the giro wins a 2-3 monuments again and maby loose the TDF cause riding the giro the same trolls as this ppantheer92 will still not able to see it for what it is (Always some ppl who ppl the earth is flat too...same ppl properly)

Have a nice week you all and i do believe Pog will win strade too with ease. Oh and also Van aert unfortunately this year too will only come second fiddle to MVDP hate or love it dont cry to the messenger. Bye.

 

[Froome]

haters are such a joy to watch. You forget how easily pog dropped vingegagrd in PN when he wasnt injured last year in fact Vingegaard has never beaten Pogacar when Pogacar didnt have a legitimate reason not to win(vingegaard in same position and circumstances wuldnt even be top 3 so stop the narrative choosing) Pogacar is the far best rider anyone thinking anything else ill put in the same section as the earth is flat category its at this point just that stupid...not a single GT or race have vingegaard outmatched pog when pog was fresh pog crushed him everytime vingegaard only won when pog wasnt able to train or beat himself vs rog and vinge, thats facts wether you like it or not.

I usually come in here to say a few things now and then and my latest reports are from Pog camp that hes stronger than last year prepare for something unique this season. The guy say pog somewhat in every test has become stronger so its really only a injury who can stop him again ofc when he rides the giro wins a 2-3 monuments again and maby loose the TDF cause riding the giro the same trolls as this ppantheer92 will still not able to see it for what it is (Always some ppl who ppl the earth is flat too...same ppl properly)

Have a nice week you all and i do believe Pog will win strade too with ease. Oh and also Van aert unfortunately this year too will only come second fiddle to MVDP hate or love it dont cry to the messenger. Bye.

Put somme commas in the text. When i finished reading your post, i was feeling like Pogacar on la Loze "i'm gone, i'm dead".

 

[Elos Anjos]

 

[Red Rick]

Did the bookmakers pay those who betted on Scarponi? If so, the difference could be a reflection of the risk of a ban.

Doubt it.

They're not gonna keep money in escrow and pay out the bet at some arbitrary date that isn't set yet.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogi cracked for one reason only - Vingegaard. There is no Vingegaard, hence, he is easily the best climber in the race, hence, no cracking.

Probably.

Obviously going toe to toe with Vingo for two weeks of the Tour took it's toll. Pog was Vingo's match in that period but paid for it in the 3rd week. Shortcomings in preparations didn't help either.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It's always nice to see guys like vwpe tells us how it really is.

I think it would be very refreshing if a non-injured nor sick rider said that he wasn't currently recording his best numbers ever.

 

[ice&fire]

Put somme commas in the next. When i finished reading your post, i was feeling like Pogacar on la Loze "i'm gone, i'm dead".

But you didn't have Soler by your side

 

[vwpe]

It's always nice to see guys like vwpe tells us how it really is.

I think it would be very refreshing if a non-injured nor sick rider said that he wasn't currently recording his best numbers ever.

guys i worte on my phone walking the streets forget about the commas.. cheerish the insight knowledge from the peleton.

Yes you are right not everyone here like the reality tho it seems i remember that from some wva takes last year and also now vingegaard. Not everyone really like how it is sometimes, like its me who make the scrips... its not i simply rely on the facts from results.

I do know very much from the peleton tho appriciate that guys and forget the commas Have a wonderfull week everyone and cheerish the best cyclist that has ever mounted a bike, Pogacar and cont urself lucky you was the one who could witness him( NO NOT the greatest of all time its a difference betwen best and greatest just in case someone gets hurt)

And while ur at it give some love to MVDP hes about to win another flandern, fun fact i rode two light traning rides with mvdp and hes more motivated than ever with his rainbow jersey. And for the ones who think i hate wva i dont throw love to him too all thought hes not mvdp freak lvl hes very rare and were lucky to witness him too. All love now guys before the season start. All the best cyclist fans.

 

[mou]

I have insight into Pogačar's training from 2/24/2024 at training peaks, his FTP is 431 or 6.58w/kg, his zone 2 interval of 17 minutes was 5.33w/kg or 349w and his current weight is 65.5kg, I can with great certainty to tell you that this season we will see the best pogačar ever because if his numbers are like this now when this is his base where he has yet to get a peek of his form for the giro and after the altitude camp for the tour after which the plan is to be at 63.5kg, let the games begin

 

[mou]

https://x.com/mou55981652/status/1762613342944792598?s=20

I told you....

 

[Froome]

https://x.com/mou55981652/status/1762613342944792598?s=20

I told you....

FTP of 1 hour, or 20 minutes? I have that doubt, because i searched to know more about FTP some time ago, but some articles says that FTP is an sustained effort during 20 minutes, other articles says that it's during 1 hour.
Probably somebody here knows better about that matter.

 

[bNator]

FTP of 1 hour, or 20 minutes? I have that doubt, because i searched to know more about FTP some time ago, but some articles says that FTP is an sustained effort during 20 minutes, other articles says that it's during 1 hour.
Probably somebody here knows better about that matter.

It’s max sustained power over 1 hour. However, since 1 hour is inconveniently long time window to measure FTP, there is a supposed correlation between max 20 minute power average and FTP with FTP being 0.95 times best-20-min-power-average. That’s why FTP is often measured inside 20 minute time window.

 

[scribers]

guys i worte on my phone walking the streets forget about the commas.. cheerish the insight knowledge from the peleton.

Yes you are right not everyone here like the reality tho it seems i remember that from some wva takes last year and also now vingegaard. Not everyone really like how it is sometimes, like its me who make the scrips... its not i simply rely on the facts from results.

I do know very much from the peleton tho appriciate that guys and forget the commas Have a wonderfull week everyone and cheerish the best cyclist that has ever mounted a bike, Pogacar and cont urself lucky you was the one who could witness him( NO NOT the greatest of all time its a difference betwen best and greatest just in case someone gets hurt)

And while ur at it give some love to MVDP hes about to win another flandern, fun fact i rode two light traning rides with mvdp and hes more motivated than ever with his rainbow jersey. And for the ones who think i hate wva i dont throw love to him too all thought hes not mvdp freak lvl hes very rare and were lucky to witness him too. All love now guys before the season start. All the best cyclist fans.

Love you too man!

 

[johnymax]

guys i worte on my phone walking the streets forget about the commas.. cheerish the insight knowledge from the peleton.

Yes you are right not everyone here like the reality tho it seems i remember that from some wva takes last year and also now vingegaard. Not everyone really like how it is sometimes, like its me who make the scrips... its not i simply rely on the facts from results.

I do know very much from the peleton tho appriciate that guys and forget the commas Have a wonderfull week everyone and cheerish the best cyclist that has ever mounted a bike, Pogacar and cont urself lucky you was the one who could witness him( NO NOT the greatest of all time its a difference betwen best and greatest just in case someone gets hurt)

And while ur at it give some love to MVDP hes about to win another flandern, fun fact i rode two light traning rides with mvdp and hes more motivated than ever with his rainbow jersey. And for the ones who think i hate wva i dont throw love to him too all thought hes not mvdp freak lvl hes very rare and were lucky to witness him too. All love now guys before the season start. All the best cyclist fans.

Best poster on this forum. Nice to hear from you again. Cheers!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It’s max sustained power over 1 hour. However, since 1 hour is inconveniently long time window to measure FTP, there is a supposed correlation between max 20 minute power average and FTP with FTP being 0.95 times best-20-min-power-average. That’s why FTP is often measured inside 20 minute time window.

Except that FTP is not guaranteed to be sustainable for a hour (if calculated from 20- or 30- minute effort). It's individual and it could be sustained i.e. for 40 minutes or for 60 minutes. In case of pros it's probably closer to an hour. Still 6.58 w/kg FTP is incredible, even if measured/calculated at a sea level.