Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[velaso montador]

In the condition he had in 1995, I'd back him against Vingegaard on any of the recent Tour routes.

I wanne take the chance to apologize to you. I sincerely thought you banned me cause you didnt agree with me.

That beein said i too rate Indurain as much as anyone else I hope you dont think otherwice. One of the greatest.

 

[Netserk]

Thanks .

Indurain is one of the best legend the sport got so nothing against him. But evolution is ofcourse real and its a difference betwen greatest and best.

Misconceptions about evolution

evolution.berkeley.edu

 

[Froome]

Vpwe replying to himself on a different account to keep the thread active, great dedication

Quite disappointing. Vpwe forgot to say that today he is going on a ride with a Jumbo pro.

 

[velaso montador]

Misconceptions about evolution

evolution.berkeley.edu

Im not going into a debate on that matter with you since i simply dont know much deeply on that matter. When I say evolution i also mean gear, training, data and everyhing from science to tubes.

Im no expert on human evolution from body perspective alone i might very well be wrong there 100%

 

[Netserk]

Im not giong into a debate on that matter with you since i simply dont know much deeply on that matter. When I say evolution i also mean gear, training, data and everyhing from science to tubes.

Im no expert on human evolution from body perspective alone i might very well be wrong there 100%

Granted, knowledge evolves. But it’s not the only moving part in this machinery. Regulations also evolve.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Thanks , is it the hardest climbing record in cycling?

Mont Ventoux

 

[velaso montador]

Granted, knowledge evolves. But it’s not the only moving part in this machinery. Regulations also evolve.

Thats true aswell.

Also this is just a thought but i also believe as more people do cycling now than then the level pushes forward simply beacuse of that aswell the level goes up in general but that doesnt implie so much to Indurain as he was obvious a unicorn. But maby more so in general terms of the level in the peleton. Besides from the data, science and everything else that has evolved 10x times.

For instance they start very young now im not sure if that was the case back then, it might be

 

[Peyroteo94]

Is there any chance both of them are clean ?

Love your naivety

 

[Tim Cahill]

Pantani did 7,4w/kg for 23 minutes?

Yes, managed to find the stage,

I can't find the profile so not sure what kind of efforts they were doing beforehand, I know Ventoux was a tt and the Hautacam time of Riis wasn't a hard stage beforehand but even if this was a unipuerto and Vingegaard/Pog railed it from the bottom they probably wouldn't beat this record.


It's always important to contextualise though, there are British part timers nobody has ever heard of doing 7.2-7.3 w/kg for 12 minute hill climbs nowadays but controls are thin on the ground and they are sole climbs, imo this is the greatest display of all time;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1757846332817965144

 

[Red Rick]

Is there any chance both of them are clean ?

That discussion is not for this subforum.

 

[roundabout]

La Punt is in the Engadin valley so there had to be at least 1 climb to get over before.

Edit: page 187 for the list of the climbs on that stage (stage 9 1995)

https://www.tourdesuisse.ch/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/TdS_Statistik_Maenner_2023_def.2.pdf

 

[snipeheem]

Love your naivety

Haha i just ask the question

 

[roundabout]

Regarding Indurain never being annihilated

Here are the times/ gaps in the 1994 Giro TT after 21km (as the final results are easily available)

Berzin 25:23
De Las Cuevas +53''
Bugno +1'11''
Ugrumov +1'39''
Indurain +1'41''

And Indurain lost only one long GT TT beginning from the 1991 Tour at that point.

 

[scribers]

Most likely, in a gedankenexperiment Indurain wouldn't win a Tour today.

Just like it's likely that a Tour today with the lenght of TT from the past would favour Remco.

He would basically be Ganna. Maybe a really strong rolieur.

 

[scribers]

Did prime Alberto would have a chance against Pog/vingo in the tour ? Or they are on totally different level?

For sure. He’d have access to all the things those guys have now. Was very explosive multiple attacks Vingo and pogi would struggle to manage.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pog did when he obliterated the Peyresourde record

Nah, it was around 1845 m/h. The problem with Lo Port is that it's an extreme outlier in VAM/duration chart and reached by multiple riders on top of that. Even Vingo on MB didn't achieve this VAM. One, dominant guy reaching these numbers (as it usually was in other cases of thermonuclear performances) would be more believable actually. That's why I think a ~20 meters elevation error is more likely.

 

[Red Rick]

Nah, it was around 1845 m/h. The problem with Lo Port is that it's an extreme outlier in VAM/duration chart and reached by multiple riders on top of that. Even Vingo on MB didn't achieve this VAM. One, dominant guy reaching these numbers (as it usually was in other cases of thermonuclear performances) would be more believable actually. That's why I think a ~20 meters elevation error is more likely.

Nah it's just that people underestimate how the W/kg riders can do when they're absolutely fresh. Plus for such a stage I think riders are gonna be slightly lower weight becuase they need to eat less and should retain less fluid as a result of that.

 

[pastronef]

nothing this Swart is not smarter, if Pog had experts from Visma, Bora, Ineos, then it would not be fair, it would be like prime Jordan playing against high school students, the only thing that Pog can be satisfied with is that he connected with Javier Sola, who in general does not belong in the UAE with the other charlatans

in any case Pog still follows San Millan on twitter. they haven't cut ties at all

 

[Peyroteo94]

Can't wait for Oropa to see if Pogi can beat Pantani's climbing record. Let's hope for a 7 w/kg performance

 

[Rob5091]

Why is Pogi riding with the Ineos guys? Checking out the Giro opposition?
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-ineos-stars-geraint-thomas-and-filippo-ganna

 

[Salvarani]

Why is Pogi riding with the Ineos guys? Checking out the Giro opposition?
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-ineos-stars-geraint-thomas-and-filippo-ganna

Probably just a case of being on his own with no teammates around and Ineos happened to be there as well. Makes sense to ride with them for a day or so rather than on his own. Especially, I guess, if it is just a day for a recovery ride or for volume.

It just seems more fun.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Yesterday I also saw an instagram video of Pogacar riding a bike with a woman. Has anyone started a rumour that Pog will be racing in the women's WT next year?

 

[Mina.S]

Probably just a case of being on his own with no teammates around and Ineos happened to be there as well. Makes sense to ride with them for a day or so rather than on his own. Especially, I guess, if it is just a day for a recovery ride or for volume.

It just seems more fun.

Yea, I believe he is by himself. Apparently, some of the UAE riders that are going to the Giro don't like altitude and the rest are racing at the moment.

He was riding with the Jayco girls the day after so maybe he is just bored?

 

[Rob5091]

Yesterday I also saw an instagram video of Pogacar riding a bike with a woman. Has anyone started a rumour that Pog will be racing in the women's WT next year?

Cannibal Pogi wants to win everything so after the men's races, it's on to the ladies!

 

[Salvarani]

Yea, I believe he is by himself. Apparently, some of the UAE riders that are going to the Giro don't like altitude and the rest are racing at the moment.

He was riding with the Jayco girls the day after so maybe he is just bored?

Yes, probably nothing more to it than that.

Im sure he has a lovely time with the Jayco girls and his girlfriend, but accompanying the Ineos guys for a day of cycling with fun conversation was probably not the worst idea.