Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Didinho]

Joined the "Seven wins so far this year" club.
The main difference, of course, being that his wins are all WT level.

And in 10 race days.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Time to drop the bomb, he is the best classics rider in the World!!!! Where was MVP today? Pogi can compete in the cobbles, MVP can't compete in these hard hilly classics

 

[AmRacer]

Sk the Giro will be fun to watch
Who will be first GC loser?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Time to drop the bomb, he is the best classics rider in the World!!!! Where was MVP today? Pogi can compete in the cobbles, MVP can't compete in these hard hilly classics

Well he was 3rd

That said, I also do believe Pogacar is the best classics rider.

 

[Gigs_98]

On another note, he joins Bettini and Boonen as the rider with most major wins in the 21st century. At 25...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well he was 3rd

That said, I also do believe Pogacar is the best classics rider.

Pogacar was 4th in 2022 Flanders or 3rd in MSR. Who was closer to win the race, Pogacar or MVP today? This is the difference, MVP can't challenge Pogi (at all) in hard hilly races but Pogi can compete with MVP in cobbled classics. Even if MVP has more monuments or worlds, I will always say Pogi is better because his main focus is not win classics (is winning the Tour). Otherwise MVP plans his season carefully to really be at his peak in classics (Olympics this year for example). I really can the scenario where Pogi wins Giro-Tour but ends being beaten by MVP in the ORR and some people will say how MVP is better than Pogacar in one day races, ignoring completly the effort Pogi put to win the double.

 

[proffate]

Liege check
Giro
Tour
Worlds
Lombardia
1/5

Olympic gold would be a way better trophy than another Lombardia

 

[Valv.Piti]

Pogacar was 4th in 2022 Flanders or 3rd in MSR. Who was closer to win the race, Pogacar or MVP today? This is the difference, MVP can't challenge Pogi (at all) in hard hilly races but Pogi can compete with MVP in cobbled classics. Even if MVP has more monuments or worlds, I will always say Pogi is better because his main focus is not win classics (is winning the Tour). Otherwise MVP plans his season carefully to really be at his peak in classics (Olympics this year for example). I really can the scenario where Pogi wins Giro-Tour but ends being beaten by MVP in the ORR and some people will say how MVP is better than Pogacar in one day races, ignoring completly the effort Pogi put to win the double.

I agree with you, thats not the point. Just saying that he finished 3rd afterall which is quite impressive for a rider of his stature.

 

[AmRacer]

Pogacar was 4th in 2022 Flanders or 3rd in MSR. Who was closer to win the race, Pogacar or MVP today? This is the difference, MVP can't challenge Pogi (at all) in hard hilly races but Pogi can compete with MVP in cobbled classics. Even if MVP has more monuments or worlds, I will always say Pogi is better because his main focus is not win classics (is winning the Tour). Otherwise MVP plans his season carefully to really be at his peak in classics (Olympics this year for example). I really can the scenario where Pogi wins Giro-Tour but ends being beaten by MVP in the ORR and some people will say how MVP is better than Pogacar in one day races, ignoring completly the effort Pogi put to win the double.

Poggi's main focus is to win everything.

 

[Bolder]

Time to drop the bomb, he is the best classics rider in the World!!!! Where was MVP today? Pogi can compete in the cobbles, MVP can't compete in these hard hilly classics

Oh, Mvdp certainly can compete. Winning against Pog is another matter, but he did beat all the skinny climbers bar one. That said, I think an on-form Remco or Roglic would have given Pog a real challenge.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I agree with you, thats not the point. Just saying that he finished 3rd afterall which is quite impressive for a rider of his stature.

And I partly agree with you. I'm ahuge fan of him however the stars aligned to his 3rd place. Just like his Amstel win. He is very intelligent tactically (and for this reason he is a massive overachiever in hilly classics) and I think this is the quality where he distinguishes himself from WVA.

 

[AmRacer]

Oh, Mvdp certainly can compete. Winning against Pog is another matter, but he did beat all the skinny climbers bar one. That said, I think an on-form Remco or Roglic would have given Pog a real challenge.

The climbers played games which he took advantage from.
That's what great champs do.

 

[Extinction]

Oh, Mvdp certainly can compete. Winning against Pog is another matter, but he did beat all the skinny climbers bar one. That said, I think an on-form Remco or Roglic would have given Pog a real challenge.

Top Remco and Roglic would have been there with Pog, but, alas, it was not meant to be.

 

[jmdirt]

GREAT race today TP! Congrats!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Olympic gold would be a way better trophy than another Lombardia

Impossible to win. He will be tired after the Tour and MVP will peak for this race and the route is perfect for a rider like MVP

 

[scribers]

The Olympics for pogi will just be a national flag crit

 

[hayneplane]

Are you aware that cycling in Bartali/Coppi time was as popular as football in Italy?

Maybe so but between them they only won one monument outside of Italy and first non-European winner of a monument was 2003 which is a great illustration of how long it was before cycling became a truly global sport in the way it is now.

 

[hayneplane]

Oh, Mvdp certainly can compete. Winning against Pog is another matter, but he did beat all the skinny climbers bar one. That said, I think an on-form Remco or Roglic would have given Pog a real challenge.

Remco yes but Roglic does not have many great performances at monument distance races not withstanding his LBL win in 2020.

 

[Netserk]

Maybe so but between them they only won one monument outside of Italy and first non-European winner of a monument was 2003 which is a great illustration of how long it was before cycling became a truly global sport in the way it is now.

Cycling is not a truly global sport now. The 8 strongest nations are all European. It's a niche sport in most parts of the world (by population).

And so what? It's still a great sport.

 

[Offline]

Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cycling has created a monster. I'm pretty sure we will look to Pogi as football fans look to Ronaldo/Messi. In the next 50 years, we won't see anything close to Pogi in cycling. It is just ridiculous how godly good he is. I have watched cycling for 25 years and I can say riders I truly loved like Gilbert, Bettini, Cav, Sagan, Armstrong, Cippo, Boonen, Contador, they all look kinda mediocre riders next to Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cote de La Redoute KOM. 14 sec faster than Remco last year.
Don't remember wind conditions last year, but strong headwind today.

He went 17 seconds faster than the second group of riders. Total domination!

 

[snipeheem]

Cycling has created a monster. I'm pretty sure we will look to Pogi as football fans look to Ronaldo/Messi. In the next 50 years, we won't see anything close to Pogi in cycling. It is just ridiculous how godly good he is. I have watched cycling for 25 years and I can say riders I truly loved like Gilbert, Bettini, Cav, Sagan, Armstrong, Cippo, Boonen, Contador, they all look kinda mediocre riders next to Pogacar.

Once in a lifetime talent

 

[RedheadDane]

Cycling has created a monster.

Naaaah... That was his parents.

(Please don't ban me.)

 

[Nick2413]

Cycling has created a monster. I'm pretty sure we will look to Pogi as football fans look to Ronaldo/Messi. In the next 50 years, we won't see anything close to Pogi in cycling. It is just ridiculous how godly good he is. I have watched cycling for 25 years and I can say riders I truly loved like Gilbert, Bettini, Cav, Sagan, Armstrong, Cippo, Boonen, Contador, they all look kinda mediocre riders next to Pogacar.

I think that logic indicates the opposite though. That those considered the best at the time start looking mediocre once the next generation comes along, especially when the sport is still growing. In pretty much every sport, today’s athletes are better than the best of the past for various reasons. It’s hard to see past Pogacar now but someone even freakier will come along.